View Poll Results: How long did it take for you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?
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How long did it take you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?
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How long did it take you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?
I'm trying to set a goal for the coming season.
I'm still a cat5 but by the end of January I will have completed the minimum number of mass starts required to upgrade. I've only done 3 crit races so far but my last race I placed somewhere in the top 15 out of 45, I still don't have enough sprinting power to place.
My goal I want to set is to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3 by the end of the 2010 season. I'm wondering if this seems too far fetched or not for most riders.
I also joined my school's cycling team so I should have some guidance and support with training and nutrition and whatnot. I'd also be competing in just about every race of the season.
I'm still a cat5 but by the end of January I will have completed the minimum number of mass starts required to upgrade. I've only done 3 crit races so far but my last race I placed somewhere in the top 15 out of 45, I still don't have enough sprinting power to place.
My goal I want to set is to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3 by the end of the 2010 season. I'm wondering if this seems too far fetched or not for most riders.
I also joined my school's cycling team so I should have some guidance and support with training and nutrition and whatnot. I'd also be competing in just about every race of the season.
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It took me a little over a year, but I got all my points in a 6 month period (August-February).
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I'm trying to set a goal for the coming season.
I'm still a cat5 but by the end of January I will have completed the minimum number of mass starts required to upgrade. I've only done 3 crit races so far but my last race I placed somewhere in the top 15 out of 45, I still don't have enough sprinting power to place.
My goal I want to set is to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3 by the end of the 2010 season. I'm wondering if this seems too far fetched or not for most riders.
I also joined my school's cycling team so I should have some guidance and support with training and nutrition and whatnot. I'd also be competing in just about every race of the season.
I'm still a cat5 but by the end of January I will have completed the minimum number of mass starts required to upgrade. I've only done 3 crit races so far but my last race I placed somewhere in the top 15 out of 45, I still don't have enough sprinting power to place.
My goal I want to set is to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3 by the end of the 2010 season. I'm wondering if this seems too far fetched or not for most riders.
I also joined my school's cycling team so I should have some guidance and support with training and nutrition and whatnot. I'd also be competing in just about every race of the season.
If you aren't already placing well in the 5s then it's going to be an uphill battle in the 4s. Things will get harder before they get easier. You just have to figure out your strengths and race to them. Hopefully things will click for you and you will be able to get your points in. It doesn't take too many good results to get 20 points.
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On the road, I've technically been a Cat 4 for 6 years... that's 15 years with 9 years off in the middle.
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Two seasons. I upgraded on top 10s, for what it's worth.
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I became a 4, did my first two races in one day (as a 4) and got half way to my 3 upgrade. If my racing continues like that, I would say about 2 weekends worth of racing...LOL. We will see. With my luck lately, I will get fat or something and never place again.
I think that 3 months to a full season is a good average for a pretty good racer to upgrade.
My friend went from a 5 to a 2 in one month. Everyone is different.
I think that 3 months to a full season is a good average for a pretty good racer to upgrade.
My friend went from a 5 to a 2 in one month. Everyone is different.
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If you're racing with the Cal Aggies and the DBC, I think you'll have no trouble upgrading as quickly as you like.
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Yeah, well he's a freak, and he snapped my streak. I was doing really well until I came up against him at Murietta. He snapped up all the primes and the win in the crit. The crit was a crashfest though so I attacked from the gun in the circuit race and he pulled the field until I was caught
That was his first cat 4 race... and my last.
Edit: That was March 14th and he was still a 3 at San Luis Rey on May 3rd, so it did take a little longer than one month (two, ha).
That was his first cat 4 race... and my last.
Edit: That was March 14th and he was still a 3 at San Luis Rey on May 3rd, so it did take a little longer than one month (two, ha).
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Yeah, well he's a freak, and he snapped my streak. I was doing really well until I came up against him at Murietta. He snapped up all the primes and the win in the crit. The crit was a crashfest though so I attacked from the gun in the circuit race and he pulled the field until I was caught
That was his first cat 4 race... and my last.
That was his first cat 4 race... and my last.
LOL, yeah he is fast. He averaged over 360 watts for the 40k CBR TT. Pretty strong. Suprisingly his FTP is close to mine, but his 5min is just INSANE. I think he was around 6.5 watts per Kg or more. Pretty good for a 19 yr old kid!
He and my other friend stayed with me over Interbike week. He is a good kid with a lot of talent and SUPER pasionate about cycling. I hope he doesn't get burned out.
Honestly, I think I would have upgraded already if I lived in SoCal. It is hard to get enough races in living out here. Well at least I would have liked to think so. I'm slow and getting old. I better get on the stick!
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To a large degree getting to the 3s is more about figuring out how to race than anything else, so it's hard to say whether or not it is realistic for you or not. I was in a similar boat as you for the 2008 season, I finished my 10 races at the end of 2007 and started 2008 with upgrading to cat 3 as my goal. I didn't really get anywhere for most of the season until things started to click near the end of it. I don't think I had any huge fitness leap that suddenly allowed me to upgrade.
If you aren't already placing well in the 5s then it's going to be an uphill battle in the 4s. Things will get harder before they get easier. You just have to figure out your strengths and race to them. Hopefully things will click for you and you will be able to get your points in. It doesn't take too many good results to get 20 points.
If you aren't already placing well in the 5s then it's going to be an uphill battle in the 4s. Things will get harder before they get easier. You just have to figure out your strengths and race to them. Hopefully things will click for you and you will be able to get your points in. It doesn't take too many good results to get 20 points.
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Upgrading to 3 isn't all that hard. 3's racing is only a little bit faster but 3's (somewhat) know how to race.
It gets hard in the 1/2's since everyone knows how to race and everyone is fast.
It gets hard in the 1/2's since everyone knows how to race and everyone is fast.
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In Colorado, I did my first race mid-June as a Cat 5, and I was a 3 at the end of August.
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TBD. I've been racing since February and I'm halfway there. Probably 1-2 years.
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It has something to do with terrain as well. Most races in this area detonate when they hit the first big climb. Unless you are in there, then kiss any upgrade points goodbye. Pack finishes are nearly nonexistent.
I would estimate the necessary power to be around 4.5w/kg threshold in order to get points on a regular basis. Perhaps a bit more since the climbs tend to be in the ten minute range.
I would estimate the necessary power to be around 4.5w/kg threshold in order to get points on a regular basis. Perhaps a bit more since the climbs tend to be in the ten minute range.
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Raced 4's for one season... earned all the upgrade points towards the end of the season though.
I'm setting no goals to upgrade in '10 because there are still races where I'm in there but in no position to contest anything.
The 3's are kind of like Jr high... everyone has started developing but there is a broad spectrum betwen the low and high ends. There are guys that in every right could be 2's and there are those who barely have their feet wet out of the 4's.
I'm setting no goals to upgrade in '10 because there are still races where I'm in there but in no position to contest anything.
The 3's are kind of like Jr high... everyone has started developing but there is a broad spectrum betwen the low and high ends. There are guys that in every right could be 2's and there are those who barely have their feet wet out of the 4's.
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It has something to do with terrain as well. Most races in this area detonate when they hit the first big climb. Unless you are in there, then kiss any upgrade points goodbye. Pack finishes are nearly nonexistent.
I would estimate the necessary power to be around 4.5w/kg threshold in order to get points on a regular basis. Perhaps a bit more since the climbs tend to be in the ten minute range.
I would estimate the necessary power to be around 4.5w/kg threshold in order to get points on a regular basis. Perhaps a bit more since the climbs tend to be in the ten minute range.
fwiw, I was a 4 for a calender year, from July of my 1st year racing until July of my 2nd. I upgraded with points and was a 3 for while. now I'm a 2 training to get my ass handed to me on a regular basis.
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in the capital district RR this year I was definitely climbing at 4.2w/kg and I just watched them ride away from me. cat 4 race.
at the GVCC race at Bloomfield this year the winners were putting in times that I could not come close to matching on the hills. I was over 4 w/kg as well.
I could go on all day with this. We have very very few crits and almost nothing flat enough to have a true pack finish. If you want that kind of racing, you have to travel to NYC or places south.
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It has something to do with terrain as well. Most races in this area detonate when they hit the first big climb. Unless you are in there, then kiss any upgrade points goodbye. Pack finishes are nearly nonexistent.
I would estimate the necessary power to be around 4.5w/kg threshold in order to get points on a regular basis. Perhaps a bit more since the climbs tend to be in the ten minute range.
I would estimate the necessary power to be around 4.5w/kg threshold in order to get points on a regular basis. Perhaps a bit more since the climbs tend to be in the ten minute range.
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as much as it might seem that it would benefit me to do so....
I am still better suited to the hills. All of my best results have been on hilly races thus far. The fact that they have been just short of good enough to get me more than a few upgrade points notwithstanding.
Actually I have traveled quite a bit for races. The flattest ones being near Lancaster. I wasn't racing cat 4 though. Masters was tougher (according to a racer I know who did the 4s).
I am still better suited to the hills. All of my best results have been on hilly races thus far. The fact that they have been just short of good enough to get me more than a few upgrade points notwithstanding.
Actually I have traveled quite a bit for races. The flattest ones being near Lancaster. I wasn't racing cat 4 though. Masters was tougher (according to a racer I know who did the 4s).