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Old 09-10-16, 11:42 PM
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Greipel in the small break; Cavendish on the front of the peloton chasing.

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Many of these riders are not pros, or not pros yet, or pros making very little money. So I was not really sure where this should be posted. Any thoughts on the USAC list going to the Middle East to perform? Me - I wrote USAC (fixed from USAF) and said we should stay out. Guess they didn't listen-that is twice now.


Elite men’s road race
Robin Carpenter (La Jolla, Calif./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)
Chad Haga (McKinney, Texas/Team Giant-Alpecin)
Eric Marcotte (Scottsdale, Ariz./Team Jamis)
Taylor Phinney (Boulder, Colo./BMC Racing Team)
Kiel Reijnen (Bainbridge Island, Wash./Trek Factory Racing)
Joseph Rosskopf (Decatur, Ga./BMC Racing Team)

Elite men’s individual time trial
Taylor Phinney (Boulder, Colo./BMC Racing Team)*
Alexey Vermeulen (Pickney, Mich./Team Lotto NL-Jumbo)

Elite women’s road race
Allie Dragoo (Grand Rapids, Mich./TWENTY16 Ridebiker)
Megan Guarnier (San Mateo, Calif./Boels Dolmans Cycling Team)*
Amber Neben (Lake Forest, Calif./BEPINK)
Coryn Rivera (Tustin, Calif./UnitedHealthcare)*
Alexis Ryan (Ventura, Calif./Canyon SRAM Racing)
Carmen Small (Durango, Colo./Cylance Pro Cycling)
Lauren Stephens (Dallas, Texas/Team TIBCO-Silicon Valley Bank)

Elite women’s individual time trial
Amber Neben (Lake Forest, Calif./BEPINK)
Carmen Small (Durango, Colo./Cylance Pro Cycling)*

U23 men’s road race
Adrien Costa (Bend, Ore./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Geoffrey Curran (Tustin, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Gregory Daniel (Englewood, Colo./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Colin Joyce (Pocatello, Idaho/Axeon Hagens Berman)
Justin Oien (Escondido, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)
Neilson Powless (Roseville, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)

U23 men’s individual time trial
Geoffrey Curran (Tustin, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Neilson Powless (Roseville, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)*

Junior men’s road race
Cameron Beard (Bend, Ore./Team Specialized Racing-NCCF)
Ian Garrison (Decatur, Ga./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)*
Gage Hecht (Parker, Colo./Hot Tubes Development Cycling Team)
Bjorn Larson (Duluth, Minn./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)
Brandon McNulty (Phoenix, Ariz./LUX-Stradling p/b Specialized)*
Tyler Stites (Tucson, Ariz./El Grupo Youth Cycling)

Junior men’s individual time trial
Ian Garrison (Decatur, Ga./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)
Brandon McNulty (Phoenix, Ariz./LUX-Stradling p/b Specialized)*

Junior women’s road race
Hannah Arensman (Rutherford College, N.C./TWENTY16 Pro Cycling)
Megan Heath (Alpharetta, Ga./Frazier Cycling)
Summer Moak (Foothill Ranch, Calif./TWENTY16 Pro Cycling)
Skylar Schneider (West Allis, Wis./ISCorp Cycling p/b SmartChoice MRI)*

Junior women’s individual time trial
Hannah Arensman (Rutherford College, N.C./TWENTY16 Pro Cycling)*
Skylar Schneider (West Allis, Wis./ISCorp Cycling p/b SmartChoice MRI)

*automatic nomination

Road Worlds rosters unveiled - USA Cycling

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Part 2. USAC needs to make selection courses look a bit more like the worlds course. That was my other email to them. This year they are closer as in not selecting using Tahoe for Virginia.
The VERY good news is while in Dohar, they are mostly isolated and I think can be secured. A bunch of kids in Lycra racing trough open desert was not what some parents wanted.

As I look most at the junior TT https://www.dohacycling2016.com/event...al-time-trial/
vs https://s3.amazonaws.com/USACWeb/for...maps%20(2).pdf
Just that one of these is not like the others. I have not looked at altitudes yet. This is a good Brandon course.

The RR can be compared to the USAC RR in the PDF link above. At least they will be familiar with the course https://www.dohacycling2016.com/event/men-u23-road-race/
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Old 09-20-16, 05:36 PM
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Interesting that they're taking Powless over Costa in the TT. Both are darn good TT'ers, but I just assumed Costa was the better of the two.
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Old 09-20-16, 06:34 PM
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The course is completely flat.
I wonder why UCI allowed this. A RR should have a hill, don't you think? Another rule I need to look up.
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Crosswinds and attrition can do their thing and that closing circuit looks really technical. Just because it's flat doesn't mean you get to sit on flicking boogers.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Crosswinds and attrition can do their thing and that closing circuit looks really technical. Just because it's flat doesn't mean you get to sit on flicking boogers.
It does change the profile of the winner. This favors someone big. Sagan always, and he's big. But thinking an over average side will win this - in each group. It is a very different course to not have a hill.

Too turney for crosswinds to matter. Not ever going the same direction very long

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Old 09-20-16, 09:05 PM
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Eh ... i think there is enough variety year after year where we can have a flat WC course. No sprinter will ever win a Grand Tour. No pure climber will ever win Paris Roubaix. I like that profiles of the WC courses change and that there is room for a sprinting WC if that's how the race shakes out.

Location is blah, but I guess if it inspires some non cyclists Doha to ride a bike, then that's a win. Although incredibly unlikely.
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Old 09-20-16, 09:12 PM
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Cipollini won his stripes on the Zolder racing circuit, very flat.
Moscow Olympics RR, perfectly flat.

Somebody gots to pay the bills for these races; WC's are expensive, and Doha has the money.
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My course comment is more on how different it is from the Nationals Course we use to select at least the winner. If we had a few races that matched the world course and made them the selection races, we'd get better winning opportunities.
I've seen Brandon is very good in a TT on this type of course from Euro races. Don't know much else on who I'd favor. Likely big. Ian is 6'5 about. So in Phinney.
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Old 09-21-16, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Doge
Any thoughts on the USAC list going to the Middle East to perform? Me - I wrote USAF and said we should stay out.
I foresee this typo occurring many times in your future.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
i foresee this typo occurring many times in your future.
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Yeah, I kept looking for your son on the list and thought you'd told the air force not to send him and they took as much input from you as they would when it comes time to assign him to whatever station he ends up.
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Yeah, I kept looking for your son on the list and thought you'd told the air force not to send him and they took as much input from you as they would when it comes time to assign him to whatever station he ends up.
There was no need to tell USAF not to send him (may look into U23 in 2-3 years). He reported to USAFA on the day before Cycling Nationals. Around about late Feb he knew cycling was over for the year...or so. There were more than a few cycling parents that had no intention of sending their minor to Qatar. We are thankful we didn't need to go into it.

If you look at the names on the junior list some are very new, other very strong riders are missing. I expect this list would have been different if the race were in USA again - before college started.

Adrian is enrolled in UCSC but I'm not tracking him this fall and he is auto qualified. Blevins started SLO this week and was auto qualified - so he turned it down. I've heard for worlds coach selection they want to pick kids they think are moving on in the sport (IMO - based on their, unpublished criteria for defining that).
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The Doha course may end up being like the crit world champs. In a way, that is sort of selective. My money is on Cav.
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Originally Posted by Doge
Adrian is enrolled in UCSC but I'm not tracking him this fall and he is auto qualified. Blevins started SLO this week and was auto qualified - so he turned it down. I've heard for worlds coach selection they want to pick kids they think are moving on in the sport (IMO - based on their, unpublished criteria for defining that).
What is SLO?
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The junior selection this year is very different. Could be the course, could be college, I think it is Dohar. I don't really want to post specifics as too close to all these kids. But you could put together a TTT of the kids not on the list (other than Brandon) and win nationals.
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Cross Vegas, tonight at 11:15.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Cross Vegas, tonight at 11:15.
Relevance? Is Gage there?
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Cross Vegas, tonight at 11:15.
I just caught on that this was today. I assume 1115 EST? Also, seems odd to have a one day event on a Weds. Although, it may be safer for the racers if it is NOT on a Friday or Saturday night in Vegas.
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Um, this is the pro race thread, maybe?
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Yes, EST.
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Originally Posted by Doge
Many of these riders are not pros, or not pros yet, or pros making very little money. So I was not really sure where this should be posted. Any thoughts on the USAC list going to the Middle East to perform? Me - I wrote USAC (fixed from USAF) and said we should stay out. Guess they didn't listen-that is twice now.
seems strange the carmen small thing vs armstrong ....auto bid to worlds but doesn't get the nod at olympics. Of course hindsight it worked out for armstrong, but dont get it.

honestly i'm not sure who else is in the worlds mix year to year from USA that was left out? alex howes? maybe tyler farrar (have a team work for him?).
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Originally Posted by Doge
...we'd get better winning opportunities.

Is USAC interested in winning? I always had the impression these slots were for development for the espoirs and "who wants these" for the pro's.
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