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07-01-22, 06:03 PM
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Just not digging the chrome on this bike. Put me in the camp that thinks this hurts the value.
07-01-22, 07:56 PM
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A friend if mine has a chrome Cinelli similar vintage. Its really a spectacular bike. I think $4500 is realistic. Very rare bike.
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07-02-22, 04:04 PM
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the bottom bracket region is probably less than perfect.
let the non profit auction it off, the buyer will appreciate it, so will the non profit, owner gets a tax deduction.
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07-02-22, 05:58 PM
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I have an original chrome SC like this of the same vintage (mine is circa 1971), though in a smaller size. I think chrome Cinellis are rare, as numerous searches of similar years generally turned up only a handful, versus very many of the standard silver, some dusty rose and very few black (love the rose and especially black ones!). I don't know what my bike is objectively worth, but it's worth a lot to me.
As noted, the rechroming of the OP's bike hurts the value, significantly to me, because I like original bikes, while some others don't much care. But I think there's a good chance that it was fully chrome to begin with. You can see blue paint in the chainstay coves, a detail that might have otherwise been overlooked if it didn't originally have them.
As noted, the rechroming of the OP's bike hurts the value, significantly to me, because I like original bikes, while some others don't much care. But I think there's a good chance that it was fully chrome to begin with. You can see blue paint in the chainstay coves, a detail that might have otherwise been overlooked if it didn't originally have them.
07-03-22, 08:19 AM
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I have an original chrome SC like this of the same vintage (mine is circa 1971), though in a smaller size. I think chrome Cinellis are rare, as numerous searches of similar years generally turned up only a handful, versus very many of the standard silver, some dusty rose and very few black (love the rose and especially black ones!). I don't know what my bike is objectively worth, but it's worth a lot to me.
As noted, the rechroming of the OP's bike hurts the value, significantly to me, because I like original bikes, while some others don't much care. But I think there's a good chance that it was fully chrome to begin with. You can see blue paint in the chainstay coves, a detail that might have otherwise been overlooked if it didn't originally have them.
As noted, the rechroming of the OP's bike hurts the value, significantly to me, because I like original bikes, while some others don't much care. But I think there's a good chance that it was fully chrome to begin with. You can see blue paint in the chainstay coves, a detail that might have otherwise been overlooked if it didn't originally have them.
Not originally added like the blue paint in the panto bits?
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07-03-22, 12:49 PM
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The Cinellis that go at 3k + are older than this and in considerably better condition. I think some of these numbers are fairly silly.
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07-03-22, 01:22 PM
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The seller is in the hottest market west of the Appalachian Mountains (maybe less Chicago, but they are still influenced by mid-west pricing). This is Santa Clara/SF/San Mateo/Santa Cruz/Monterey +others counties. You pay more than $2000per month in grass mowing services in nearly every city around the Bay.
$2000 would be the absolute floor for this beauty in one of the nicest biking meccas (with '4 season weather') west of the Mediterranean bordering countries. A classic vintage rider, not so perfect a collector would put it on a wall, but ....a rider. Cinelli. 'California cool' status points as a C&V dude. A join the Cinelli club kinda thing. And only $2500; less than a month's property tax for most.
I'd sell the Campy barends to offset a high price paid.
$2000 would be the absolute floor for this beauty in one of the nicest biking meccas (with '4 season weather') west of the Mediterranean bordering countries. A classic vintage rider, not so perfect a collector would put it on a wall, but ....a rider. Cinelli. 'California cool' status points as a C&V dude. A join the Cinelli club kinda thing. And only $2500; less than a month's property tax for most.
I'd sell the Campy barends to offset a high price paid.
This seems like a post to sell the bike, which has a different place, and which also requires membership. I'd call it a Cinelli Super Corsa when you sell it.
I'm going to wait for some others to chime in first...because I don't feel like I have a sense on how the chroming impacts things. I'm also not as good at dating Cinellis as some others here...I believe this looks around 74ish. If no one offers better advice than I can, I'll throw out my opinion.
I'm going to wait for some others to chime in first...because I don't feel like I have a sense on how the chroming impacts things. I'm also not as good at dating Cinellis as some others here...I believe this looks around 74ish. If no one offers better advice than I can, I'll throw out my opinion.
Thank you all for chiming in. We are just exploring at this time. He just wants the bike to be ridden. and thanks for all the input.
I will also be posting a bontrager MTB from the same gentleman, on this site as well. All campy. Has a Rock Shock added, but the original fork is included.
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most likely the bike had some chrome to begin with. How and why it was stripped and fully chromed is an issue.
the bottom bracket region is probably less than perfect.
let the non profit auction it off, the buyer will appreciate it, so will the non profit, owner gets a tax deduction.
the bottom bracket region is probably less than perfect.
let the non profit auction it off, the buyer will appreciate it, so will the non profit, owner gets a tax deduction.
and look at it.
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Not sure about the value but if I were trying to get 4 figures for a bike that wasn't an original patina wall hanger I would disassemble, clean, polish , adjust everything and put on new brake pads, cabling, and cable covers. Then and only then take some high rez photos of the bike for your add.
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Hard to get sufficient plating there.
Stripping the original chrome is treacherous. Columbus tubing is a version of chromoly. And that is the interesting part, remove the chrome, remove the nickel, and hopefully there is copper below.
Buff that and restart the "triple" chrome process.
A rechrome is probably near 2x the price of chroming a frame for the first time.
07-04-22, 04:38 PM
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...I know I probably overpay for stuff sometimes, but if I wanted a Cinelli with reasonably intact components of that era, I'd have no trouble at all paying $1500 for that one. Then I would take off all the components, paint the frame, (right over the chrome, as was often done,) in one of the traditional colors for Cinelli of that era, and put it all back together, with fresh grease and new rubber. Luckily for me, I already have a couple of Cinelli bikes, both more from the early Super Record era. Ten years ago, I'd have been sending you a PM hoping to negotiate.
My impression is that these (of that age) are uncommon in this condition. And we live in a place (NorCal) where classic road bikes are more common than most.
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Edit: looking at the photos, I'm not even sure that one needs new rubber.
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...I know I probably overpay for stuff sometimes, but if I wanted a Cinelli with reasonably intact components of that era, I'd have no trouble at all paying $1500 for that one. Then I would take off all the components, paint the frame, (right over the chrome, as was often done,) in one of the traditional colors for Cinelli of that era, and put it all back together, with fresh grease and new rubber. Luckily for me, I already have a couple of Cinelli bikes, both more from the early Super Record era. Ten years ago, I'd have been sending you a PM hoping to negotiate.
My impression is that these (of that age) are uncommon in this condition. And we live in a place (NorCal) where classic road bikes are more common than most.
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Edit: looking at the photos, I'm not even sure that one needs new rubber.
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...and just for the record, IMO Italian chrome was often terribly done. Colnago chrome was pretty close to biodegradable. So it makes sense that the owner had it re-chromed. Hoping to find an Italian frame of this age, in your size, in pristine condition, without re-chroming or at least repainting, means you'll probably never own and ride one.
...and just for the record, IMO Italian chrome was often terribly done. Colnago chrome was pretty close to biodegradable. So it makes sense that the owner had it re-chromed. Hoping to find an Italian frame of this age, in your size, in pristine condition, without re-chroming or at least repainting, means you'll probably never own and ride one.
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...I know I probably overpay for stuff sometimes, but if I wanted a Cinelli with reasonably intact components of that era, I'd have no trouble at all paying $1500 for that one. Then I would take off all the components, paint the frame, (right over the chrome, as was often done,) in one of the traditional colors for Cinelli of that era, and put it all back together, with fresh grease and new rubber. Luckily for me, I already have a couple of Cinelli bikes, both more from the early Super Record era. Ten years ago, I'd have been sending you a PM hoping to negotiate.
My impression is that these (of that age) are uncommon in this condition. And we live in a place (NorCal) where classic road bikes are more common than most.
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Edit: looking at the photos, I'm not even sure that one needs new rubber.
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...I know I probably overpay for stuff sometimes, but if I wanted a Cinelli with reasonably intact components of that era, I'd have no trouble at all paying $1500 for that one. Then I would take off all the components, paint the frame, (right over the chrome, as was often done,) in one of the traditional colors for Cinelli of that era, and put it all back together, with fresh grease and new rubber. Luckily for me, I already have a couple of Cinelli bikes, both more from the early Super Record era. Ten years ago, I'd have been sending you a PM hoping to negotiate.
My impression is that these (of that age) are uncommon in this condition. And we live in a place (NorCal) where classic road bikes are more common than most.
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Edit: looking at the photos, I'm not even sure that one needs new rubber.
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But you know what? I love the damned thing...rattle can paint and all. If I paid a little premium, so be it.
07-05-22, 08:46 AM
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It's a nice-looking bike. I like the chrome. Would like it more with a dark brown brooks and matching leather bar tape (and maybe gum hoods), but to each his own.
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That is a beautiful re-chroming job. Its condition speaks for its durability. If going the eBay route, I wouldn't even mention it, just don't mis-represent if asked. All "patina", or "collector horse-crap" lies in the un-disturbed state of assembly, dried grease, fine fuzz, and all.
The bar tape is jarring to anyone without similar tastes, I'm guessing. The brake cables are too short - maybe trying to be modern-ish? They should stick up about four to five inches above the bar tops, so as not to bend the cables too sharply. IMO, their color should be chosen to match or compliment the bar tape, not to imitate the metal shifter cables. The nut on the bottom of the brake barrel adjuster is not original and does not belong there.
I have a chrome Ellis-Briggs FAVORI, of similar age and condition. When it was original, it also had bar-end shifters - interesting. If going the eBay route, with its associated potential for buyer-protection scams, I would see no reason not to shoot for the moon. Otherwise, hope-for $2000, take $1500 seems reasonable to me in your locale, not insane, but I'm not a buyer.
The bar tape is jarring to anyone without similar tastes, I'm guessing. The brake cables are too short - maybe trying to be modern-ish? They should stick up about four to five inches above the bar tops, so as not to bend the cables too sharply. IMO, their color should be chosen to match or compliment the bar tape, not to imitate the metal shifter cables. The nut on the bottom of the brake barrel adjuster is not original and does not belong there.
I have a chrome Ellis-Briggs FAVORI, of similar age and condition. When it was original, it also had bar-end shifters - interesting. If going the eBay route, with its associated potential for buyer-protection scams, I would see no reason not to shoot for the moon. Otherwise, hope-for $2000, take $1500 seems reasonable to me in your locale, not insane, but I'm not a buyer.
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I really like it...actually among my faves of the pre-OS tubes. Mine is hideously ugly, so I can also park it in town and not get overly concerned about it; no one would give it a second look.
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Italian chrome of this era does have a tendency to not be durable. I have a Somec with failing chrome, but that's part of the patina.
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My notation is about the condition of the chrome about the tube junctions at the bottom bracket.
Hard to get sufficient plating there.
Stripping the original chrome is treacherous. Columbus tubing is a version of chromoly. And that is the interesting part, remove the chrome, remove the nickel, and hopefully there is copper below.
Buff that and restart the "triple" chrome process.
A rechrome is probably near 2x the price of chroming a frame for the first time.
Hard to get sufficient plating there.
Stripping the original chrome is treacherous. Columbus tubing is a version of chromoly. And that is the interesting part, remove the chrome, remove the nickel, and hopefully there is copper below.
Buff that and restart the "triple" chrome process.
A rechrome is probably near 2x the price of chroming a frame for the first time.
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