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Old 06-07-22, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
That they straight up won't work after a decent amount of use? I ride two bikes with low end disc brakes regularly and its a complete nightmare. After paying to get it serviced the brakes are almost useless in a week or two, have spent hours trying to fix them myself. Cheap rim brakes are junk but they are much much better than cheap disc brakes. If I had to buy a new bike I would never buy disc brakes because of my bad experiences.

Also even when set up "correctly" they are prone to rubbing on the pads. Its the nature of the beast with disc brakes
You know… toe overlap can be useful in some circumstances.

However closed toe shoes are generally recommended to maintain the integrity of the toe.

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Old 06-08-22, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aplcr0331
Even after years and years with thousands of threads about "brakes" it's still disappoints me that cyclists are so vain and only concerned about image. I had hope that some of the older cyclists actually just loved to ride bikes and be out in nature. Nope...they want a bike that presents an image. They want to be known as "rim brake cyclist" or whatever other older technologies they're fetishizing. It's like frame materials and such...not really about the bike and enjoying the rush of moving yourself with a machine outside. It's about how it looks...all aesthetics.

You could keep your rim brake bike, I'm stuck with mine. Once I can afford another bike I'll get one with disc brakes and ride the same places I do now and enjoy it just as much.

So much image consciousness. Weird.
This post reminds me…

While out riding today the thought occurred that it would sure be nice (wishful thinking) that people would only comment on this board about things they have direct experience with. It would certainly eliminate a lot of the bickering.

I have two disc brake bikes and three rim brake bikes going back to the early 80s. Going down hill in the rain and slowing to a stop or needing to making a panic stop, there is zero contest between the stopping power of discs and rim brakes. It’s not vanity, it’s not fashion, it’s safety. When a car unexpectedly pulls out 20’ in front of you, would you rather stop in 15’ or 25’? If being a cool kid is a fashion, I’d rather be fashionably alive.
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Old 06-08-22, 12:28 AM
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I spent much of today riding a current $5k road bike with discs and 32mm tires (GP 5000s). The bike is a boat anchor; at over 18 pounds it weighs about 2 pounds more than a similarly spec'd and priced rim brake bike from 5 years ago.

Reason for the extra weight: the frame and fork reinforcements required to handle disc braking forces, and the much heavier wheels - again required to handle the forces from the ends of the fork to the rider. The farm tractor tires didn't help with my speed on pavement either.

Wouldn't it be much more efficient for wheel rims to secure tires, and double as braking surface? I'm guessing that 5 years from now the industry will roll this novel concept out with great fanfare. And big price increases.

Anyway, you can get sub-800 gram rim-brake road frames direct from Asia. The big brands have abandoned high-end rim brake frames? I've abandoned the big bike brands.
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Old 06-08-22, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
fearing that it maybe time to sell my beloved steeds old with rim breaks to begin the Next phase in cycling.
Read that many will not build rim break bicycles. I love my bikes...feeling sadder older broker...
Prices on rim brake parts are coming down on eBay etc. And your rim brakes will still stop your bike as well as they ever have. No need to change.
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Old 06-08-22, 12:42 AM
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On the contrary, it's a wonderful thing that people are moving to disk brakes. That means people are selling their spare rim brake wheelsets. High end tubular rim brake wheelsets are more and more affordable by the day!
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Old 06-08-22, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
I spent much of today riding a current $5k road bike with discs and 32mm tires (GP 5000s). The bike is a boat anchor; at over 18 pounds it weighs about 2 pounds more than a similarly spec'd and priced rim brake bike from 5 years ago.
Don't buy a boat anchor next time. There are plenty of lighter disc brake bikes out there, with a weight penalty much less than 2 pounds.
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Old 06-08-22, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
You were talking about brakes (not breaks). There really is no reason you can't take the minor care to use the right word. Doing that is easier than blaming the phone (or me).

Anyway, you think that's "nastiness", your life must be quite easy.
Wow. Who pissed in your cornflakes?

Surely you can’t be this triggered by a typo on the internet.
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Old 06-08-22, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
Surely you can’t be this triggered by a typo on the internet.
Sometimes, you have to draw a line in the sand ...
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Old 06-08-22, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I’m reading this while eating dinner in camp after the second day of my rim break tour from Brattleboro, VT, up to the Northeast Kingdom. Had a nice snack break spot today. Going to have me a campfire later and do some reading.

thehammerdog You can always ask the mods if they are willing to boot a disruptive poster from this thread.


Nice! I was up there the last two summers staying in a cottage on Lake Willoughby, beautiful area!




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Old 06-08-22, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Leinster
Prices on rim brake parts are coming down on eBay etc. And your rim brakes will still stop your bike as well as they ever have. No need to change.
I fancy a new gravel bike. Seems almost silly not to get disc brakes. I think the tides have certainly turned towards disc brakes.. I love my bike its is a beauty but upgrading it with the newer fancy bits seems like a fools choice.
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Old 06-08-22, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
I spent much of today riding a current $5k road bike with discs and 32mm tires (GP 5000s). The bike is a boat anchor; at over 18 pounds it weighs about 2 pounds more than a similarly spec'd and priced rim brake bike from 5 years ago.

Reason for the extra weight: the frame and fork reinforcements required to handle disc braking forces, and the much heavier wheels - again required to handle the forces from the ends of the fork to the rider. The farm tractor tires didn't help with my speed on pavement either.

Wouldn't it be much more efficient for wheel rims to secure tires, and double as braking surface? I'm guessing that 5 years from now the industry will roll this novel concept out with great fanfare. And big price increases.

Anyway, you can get sub-800 gram rim-brake road frames direct from Asia. The big brands have abandoned high-end rim brake frames? I've abandoned the big bike brands.

Being objective, the overall increase in weight with disc brakes is only a couple of hundred grams. It certainly isn't 2 lbs. Disc specific wheel rims are actually lighter by the way, which offsets a bit of extra hub/spoke weight. As for frame and fork weight, it's a wash. The fork is a little heavier, but there are savings around the frame where rim brakes would have been mounted.

For sure if you are an obsessive weight weenie then you could build a slightly lighter rim braked bike and save some cash. But there are plenty of other reasons to choose disc brakes - like actual braking performance and consistency!

As for 32 mm GP5000 tyres slowing you down on pavement. The same tyres that have won Paris Roubaix. Maybe try the 28 or 30 mm versions next time?
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Old 06-08-22, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ogsarg
In any case, there are millions of bikes on the roads with rim brakes and I suspect parts will be available for many years to come.
+1 on this thought.

There were only 47,000 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air's produced. That car was only produced for one year, yet you still see countless repro parts and companies dedicated to this and other classic cars. Compare this to the millions of rim-brake bicycles produced and distributed all around the world, and I doubt that we'll see and end to rim brakes in our lifetimes.

Is this like comparing apples to pineapples? Maybe for this chap...



I'll wager that he is not concerned in the least about disc brakes.
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
I fancy a new gravel bike. Seems almost silly not to get disc brakes.
Disc brakes are a no-brainer for off-road riding. Not even worth debating on a gravel bike.
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Old 06-08-22, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
I fancy a new gravel bike. Seems almost silly not to get disc brakes. I think the tides have certainly turned towards disc brakes.. I love my bike its is a beauty but upgrading it with the newer fancy bits seems like a fools choice.
By all means, get a gravel bike with discs. I wouldn’t steer you any other way. My hardtail and my cargo bike both have disc brakes.

But don’t feel obligated to offload any rim brake road bikes, or hybrids, or vintage mtb, or shopping/commuter/round-town/single speed bikes you may have just because of your n+1.
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Everyone knows the goal of disk brakes is so ‘big bicycle’ can kill off aluminum rims and only sell $3K deep carbon rims. The main advantage being they can now have their brand logo visible on the wheel.
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That’s about the last thing I’m fearing in this life.
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
Wow. Who pissed in your cornflakes?

Surely you can’t be this triggered by a typo on the internet.
Proper spelling of the words that are most relevant to the meaning of the thread is a courtesy to those who might otherwise think he's writing about coffee breaks, a musical break, or a bone injury. Not everyone here is a native English speaker.

I wonder what the OP wrote that caused his phone to change it to "break"? If he had spelled it as "brake" the phone should have had no issues with it.
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
Proper spelling of the words that are most relevant to the meaning of the thread is a courtesy to those who might otherwise think he's writing about coffee breaks, a musical break, or a bone injury. Not everyone here is a native English speaker.

I wonder what the OP wrote that caused his phone to change it to "break"? If he had spelled it as "brake" the phone should have had no issues with it.



Nor can I decide which would be worse.
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
Wow. Who pissed in your cornflakes?

Surely you can’t be this triggered by a typo on the internet.


I'm not the "triggered" one.
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Originally Posted by aplcr0331
Damn...didn't know we were presenting a thesis in front of the dissertation research committee. Better tighten up my spelling and grammar for my judgmental peers. Whoah.
If you really think it was that, it's god telling you you should probably stay off the internet.
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
Proper spelling of the words that are most relevant to the meaning of the thread is a courtesy to those who might otherwise think he's writing about coffee breaks, a musical break, or a bone injury. Not everyone here is a native English speaker.
If one thinks it's worthwhile for other people to read, it should be worthwhile to check the spelling (especially, for the word the think the post is about). It's basic courtesy.

It was funny that he cared enough about something to write a post about it but couldn't take the trivial extra effort to spell it correctly.

Him going all nasty and deranged about somebody pointing it out seems like much more effort than checking the post in the first place.

Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
I wonder what the OP wrote that caused his phone to change it to "break"? If he had spelled it as "brake" the phone should have had no issues with it.
I tried to get my phone to make the same change and was not successful.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
If you really think it was that, it's god telling you you should probably stay off the internet.
if you’re going to be all triggered by typos, you should probably stay off the internet.
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It appears that NJ is always right and those that debate or contradict him, which tend to be multiple people, are always wrong even if they backup their points. It must be really wonderful to feel always so right even in the face of so much contradiction. I am sure I will hear from NJ as well and hopefully he will contradict what I just said. In fact since he can never leave a post alone and walk away, I will count on it.
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
I don’t think you ever need to fear that you can’t find rim brakes going forward.

Now high end rims for those brakes might be a different issue.

John
As time goes on, I think rim brake parts and rim brake wheels will become limited in selection much like 26" wheels and tires. All the road bikes now offered have pretty much switched over to disc brakes. Any company in their right mind isn't going to continue to manufacture low volume parts. I work at a company that manufactures a product. When volumes of that product are low, we eliminate it.

A quick look at Jenson and there are exactly two brands of 26" wheels you can choose from. But a ton of 27.5/650b/29/700c

With disc brakes becoming the norm on road bikes nowadays I'm guessing rim brake related parts will start becoming scarce in the next 5 to 10 years.
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
if you’re going to be all triggered by typos, you should probably stay off the internet.
Sounds like you are triggered by your random comments about spelling!

I wasn't triggered. It was amusing that he misspelled the exact thing that was so important to him.
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