"All cyclists will need to fit detection beacons, says cycle industry boss"
04-22-18, 01:24 PM
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You found an study that misuses statistics in their conclusion. touche!
What they should have said was, relatively more injuries are suffered by intoxicated riders without involvement of motor vehicles. It doesn't mean they have less "risk" from collisions.
Unfortunately a lot of studies are published these days with this kind of error, or other serious errors. I will still say that it's misusing science and mathematics, and not a problem with the science itself.
What they should have said was, relatively more injuries are suffered by intoxicated riders without involvement of motor vehicles. It doesn't mean they have less "risk" from collisions.
Unfortunately a lot of studies are published these days with this kind of error, or other serious errors. I will still say that it's misusing science and mathematics, and not a problem with the science itself.
For example, Florida has the highest number of cyclist fatalities. That's a statistical fact. However, does that automatically mean that Florida is the most dangerous state in the U.S. for cycling? A journalist might make that his headline, but surely more investigation into the cause(s) is necessary before a rational individual would come to that conclusion.
04-22-18, 02:25 PM
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Which highlight just one reason why you should never take them at face value. Statistics are just numbers. Our job is to interpret them, and determine if they prove what they are intended to prove.
For example, Florida has the highest number of cyclist fatalities. That's a statistical fact. However, does that automatically mean that Florida is the most dangerous state in the U.S. for cycling? A journalist might make that his headline, but surely more investigation into the cause(s) is necessary before a rational individual would come to that conclusion.
For example, Florida has the highest number of cyclist fatalities. That's a statistical fact. However, does that automatically mean that Florida is the most dangerous state in the U.S. for cycling? A journalist might make that his headline, but surely more investigation into the cause(s) is necessary before a rational individual would come to that conclusion.
This year, it looked at 104 cities, and eight of top ten most dangerous metros are in the Sunshine State. The national average is 52.5; the top metro, Cape Coral-Fort Myers, clocked in at 283.1.
04-22-18, 02:32 PM
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This was an interesting myth-debunking in an article why FL leads the nation in cyclist fatalities...
https://www.dolmanlaw.com/florida-bicycle-deaths/
Another misconception is that the majority of bicycle crashes involve senior snow-birds that flood the roadways during the winter months, the same time that there are also more cyclists on the road, out to enjoy the great weather. In fact, automobile drivers age 20 to 24 account for the highest percentage of bicycle crashes. The next highest percentage belongs to the age group between 45 and 49. This percentage drops significantly for drivers over 55, who hold the lowest percentage range of any other age group.
04-22-18, 02:36 PM
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Alcohol...again
(Ibid.)
35 percent of the crashes, either the driver or the bicyclist had blood alcohol concentrations of 0.08% or higher.
04-22-18, 11:06 PM
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In any event, I'm looking at the warning that you're approaching a pedestrian or cyclist. At the side of the road, or in the lane, up ahead so that you don't run over them. If a kid is standing on the shoulder and throws it into traffic, it's already done its job and warned drivers that he's standing there. It doesn't mean that cars are going to slam on the brakes and swerve into other lanes ... that's one of the reasons I opined that it will always be an additional safety measure and never the sole reliance.
04-23-18, 03:58 AM
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To be effective, an AI control system will need to be able to avoid a lot more of the incidents which now plague human drivers---and frankly, that shouldn't be hard. Not paying attention, driving distracted, driving with a mind distorted by emotion, and just plain being stupid humans, are all things which can be programmed out of an AI system.
Will stupid humans be able to cause accidents anyway? Of course.
Is that a valid reason no t to drastically eliminate the enormous number of accidents cause by driver stupidity each ear?
I don't think so, but opinions will vary.
04-23-18, 08:45 PM
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Maybe it will be possible to go Judge Dredd on the malefactors by incorporating Predator 2 technology so that you could trace the arc of the thrown transponder and neutralize the source with an Energy Flechette or a Plasmacaster.
04-28-18, 08:24 AM
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Much easier to toss a small transponder into the lane anonymously, with no need to find an overpass. Also, no need to drag around cinderblocks or large chunks of concrete.
Collision avoidance is path useless if it can't do something about a pedestrian/cyclist/whatever entering the car's path late enough that human reaction time makes the human's reaction ineffective.
Collision avoidance is path useless if it can't do something about a pedestrian/cyclist/whatever entering the car's path late enough that human reaction time makes the human's reaction ineffective.
I can think of several ways to avoid calamity, or any incident, from someone throwing it in traffic. All the kid will accomplish is losing his possibly expensive transponder and get arrested if a cop spots him, while having no actual impact on traffic.
04-28-18, 01:37 PM
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Again I ask, Give me a TRANSPONDER, not a Beacon, I want to know when the next Car is coming.
04-28-18, 04:08 PM
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And I say, give me a Disintegrator, not a transponder, so I can dissolve cars that interfere with me.
04-29-18, 08:31 AM
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I think that you're imagining an automatic slam the brakes, swerve, in response to seeing a beacon in the road. No, of course not. Even if you insisted on enforcing that, it wouldn't be that hard for the technology to know that it is anomalous.
The purpose in my mind, which I outlined in my first remarks, is to alert the driver that a bike is ahead in the lane, or in a bike lane beside the lane, or approaching on a side street even. Exactly like you want him alerted by your tail light, your hi-viz jersey, your lane position, except probably from a little further off and even when the bike isn't actually visible. Even a very discreet alert at his console would probably be effective.
It's not that hard technologically to use motion to detect whether a sensor is on a bike, a pedestrian or walking. Or thrown, or laying in the street. It's more of a program architecture detail than a real challenge, or show-stopper.
04-29-18, 02:57 PM
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04-29-18, 03:47 PM
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Correct; it's not your problem. When you're hit and killed by one, it will be your estate's problem.
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04-29-18, 05:30 PM
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I don't object as much to this so long as it's limited to freeways only. Having a bunch of automated driving machines going through surface streets full of pedestrians, dogs, and bicycles is a nightmare proposition that I hope winds up being banned.
04-29-18, 06:51 PM
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05-01-18, 10:25 AM
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Maybe like back in the very early nineteen hundreds it was suggested that a car should have a person run ahead of them waving a flag or a light. Maybe bikes should have that now!!!!! B'crats never cease to amaze me with the weird ideas they can come up with.
05-01-18, 10:28 AM
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Except ... this isn't an idea any bureaucrat devised ... the whole thread is based on a fake--news post attributed to some bicycle-industry dude who actually never made the statement.
05-01-18, 01:59 PM
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Wasn't that the same bureaucrat who was suggesting it be made illegal for anyone under than 4' to jaywalk on Halloween if not wearing a helmet?
05-01-18, 02:04 PM
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It is someone from the same gaggle of imaginary boogymen-bureaucrats our aged colleague is always electronically tar and feathering with blather on BF.
05-01-18, 02:41 PM
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I'm all for a little gizmo inside the frame of most bikes that vastly increase the ability of these radar-detecting vehicles to sense something's there. As the rise of more-automated vehicles continues, it's only going to get more important to "be seen" by such vehicles. Seems to me a gizmo or two inside of a frame could do wonders for that.
But, as for being "chipped" in some way ... nah.
Either way, I can't see there being a shift in the actual burden for responsible co-use of the roadway. Folks will still be responsible for their participation in damage creation on the roadways, paths, etc.
But, as for being "chipped" in some way ... nah.
Either way, I can't see there being a shift in the actual burden for responsible co-use of the roadway. Folks will still be responsible for their participation in damage creation on the roadways, paths, etc.
05-01-18, 02:52 PM
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It was a few years later that the state legislature finally got rid of it, (along with a bunch of other nonsensical laws).
05-07-18, 12:36 PM
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05-12-18, 04:39 PM
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My reaction can be summarized as "B.S."
Long version, including the reactions of many others -- this is just another variation of the invented "jaywalking" laws that shifted the burden from driver responsibility and liability to regarding pedestrians and cyclists as disposable, expendable and collateral damage in the greater interest of ensuring motorists and motor vehicles aren't inconvenienced.
Long version, including the reactions of many others -- this is just another variation of the invented "jaywalking" laws that shifted the burden from driver responsibility and liability to regarding pedestrians and cyclists as disposable, expendable and collateral damage in the greater interest of ensuring motorists and motor vehicles aren't inconvenienced.
