Would one TT bike win a full pro team of road racers?
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I'm with tempocyclist. The lone TT rider will have a significant aero advantage over a lone rider on a road bike. But with eight pros who know how to rotate through a line and stay on each other's wheel, that advantage would be easily negated. The team would simply wear the lone wolf down in the first few miles, by letting one guy at a time push hard while the others recover and enjoy the aero advantage of drafting. TT guy is more aero than whoever is on the front of the line, but he's gotta be max effort all the time.
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Honestly, nobody asked you. You've for years jumped into topics like this with the recumbent stuff with questionable data, claims, and "this would crush that" nonsense.
You even contradict yourself in your own post when you start backpedalling your claims from "destroy that record" to "there are not too many bent riders who can do that power for 44 minutes".
Right. Weak flex. Weak.
To the rest.........ya'll realize there's stage finish times for TTT's done on road bikes, right? And there's also stage finish times for plenty of pro ITT's. Sorry to say, the road bike TTT's are universally slower. I already posted the example from a real result.
Ganna did 33mph in Imola. Aeroweenie puts a roadie with a .300 CdA on a road bike at 630w for that speed. Which is a great CdA for a road bike setup. Most pros can probably do 630 for 90 seconds? Maybe 120 seconds? Ganna did Imola in about 35min. 35min divided by 2min worth of pulling?
Try again.
You even contradict yourself in your own post when you start backpedalling your claims from "destroy that record" to "there are not too many bent riders who can do that power for 44 minutes".
Right. Weak flex. Weak.
To the rest.........ya'll realize there's stage finish times for TTT's done on road bikes, right? And there's also stage finish times for plenty of pro ITT's. Sorry to say, the road bike TTT's are universally slower. I already posted the example from a real result.
Ganna did 33mph in Imola. Aeroweenie puts a roadie with a .300 CdA on a road bike at 630w for that speed. Which is a great CdA for a road bike setup. Most pros can probably do 630 for 90 seconds? Maybe 120 seconds? Ganna did Imola in about 35min. 35min divided by 2min worth of pulling?
Try again.
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So, Big Gravel has GCN doing videos about TT bikes vs. road bikes, to get viewers to go out and buy a gravel bike? Damn, those guys are devious!
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Apparently a comfy and demonstrably faster ride is just a gateway drug.
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Honestly, nobody asked you. You've for years jumped into topics like this with the recumbent stuff with questionable data, claims, and "this would crush that" nonsense.
You even contradict yourself in your own post when you start backpedalling your claims from "destroy that record" to "there are not too many bent riders who can do that power for 44 minutes".
Right. Weak flex. Weak.
To the rest.........ya'll realize there's stage finish times for TTT's done on road bikes, right? And there's also stage finish times for plenty of pro ITT's. Sorry to say, the road bike TTT's are universally slower. I already posted the example from a real result.
Ganna did 33mph in Imola. Aeroweenie puts a roadie with a .300 CdA on a road bike at 630w for that speed. Which is a great CdA for a road bike setup. Most pros can probably do 630 for 90 seconds? Maybe 120 seconds? Ganna did Imola in about 35min. 35min divided by 2min worth of pulling?
Try again.
You even contradict yourself in your own post when you start backpedalling your claims from "destroy that record" to "there are not too many bent riders who can do that power for 44 minutes".
Right. Weak flex. Weak.
To the rest.........ya'll realize there's stage finish times for TTT's done on road bikes, right? And there's also stage finish times for plenty of pro ITT's. Sorry to say, the road bike TTT's are universally slower. I already posted the example from a real result.
Ganna did 33mph in Imola. Aeroweenie puts a roadie with a .300 CdA on a road bike at 630w for that speed. Which is a great CdA for a road bike setup. Most pros can probably do 630 for 90 seconds? Maybe 120 seconds? Ganna did Imola in about 35min. 35min divided by 2min worth of pulling?
Try again.
Here is my CdA with front light, no skinsuit on, and with a mirror. This is a full 6 months of speed data including many 200k, 300k, 400k, 600k and Paris Brest Paris. OP vaguely asked if a TT bike could win. Mine could.
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Honestly, you are full of crap. USA Cycling does not allow recumbents in races and I have never been allowed to race in any local trials. So, you try again.
Here is my CdA with front light, no skinsuit on, and with a mirror. This is a full 6 months of speed data including many 200k, 300k, 400k, 600k and Paris Brest Paris. OP vaguely asked if a TT bike could win. Mine could.
Here is my CdA with front light, no skinsuit on, and with a mirror. This is a full 6 months of speed data including many 200k, 300k, 400k, 600k and Paris Brest Paris. OP vaguely asked if a TT bike could win. Mine could.
You love to derail these topics with your recumbent stuff. It is perfectly fine to be as proud as you are about it, but you don't stay ON TOPIC. Sometimes, it's "close enough" to being on topic. Frequently it isn't. Would it make sense for an unrestricted e-bike person posting up in the topic to contribute to "Would one TT bike win a full pro team of road racers?". No it wouldn't. Neither would a recumbent person trying to wedge into the topic so they can backdoor brag either.
So, here's the results sheet. So........do you deny facts also? Recumbent and handcycle class.
https://www.webscorer.com/race?raceid=277148&embed=1
And........on the USA Cycling page:
Results for Carolinas Cycling Association (NC/SC) Regional Time Trial Championship - USA Cycling
You've got a pride problem with this, and it permeates the forum with some of the topics. Advice is to take it from an 11 down to like a 5 or 6, out of 10.
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You don't ride a TT bike, you ride a recumbent. So no, you try to keep it on topic. "TT bike" isn't remotely vague. There's even a youtube video where Campanaerts already did this in a youtube video..........with a TT bike. TT bike is a recognized class of bike, with geometry and other rules within many series.
You love to derail these topics with your recumbent stuff. It is perfectly fine to be as proud as you are about it, but you don't stay ON TOPIC. Sometimes, it's "close enough" to being on topic. Frequently it isn't. Would it make sense for an unrestricted e-bike person posting up in the topic to contribute to "Would one TT bike win a full pro team of road racers?". No it wouldn't. Neither would a recumbent person trying to wedge into the topic so they can backdoor brag either.
So, here's the results sheet. So........do you deny facts also? Recumbent and handcycle class.
https://www.webscorer.com/race?raceid=277148&embed=1
And........on the USA Cycling page:
Results for Carolinas Cycling Association (NC/SC) Regional Time Trial Championship - USA Cycling
You've got a pride problem with this, and it permeates the forum with some of the topics. Advice is to take it from an 11 down to like a 5 or 6, out of 10.
You love to derail these topics with your recumbent stuff. It is perfectly fine to be as proud as you are about it, but you don't stay ON TOPIC. Sometimes, it's "close enough" to being on topic. Frequently it isn't. Would it make sense for an unrestricted e-bike person posting up in the topic to contribute to "Would one TT bike win a full pro team of road racers?". No it wouldn't. Neither would a recumbent person trying to wedge into the topic so they can backdoor brag either.
So, here's the results sheet. So........do you deny facts also? Recumbent and handcycle class.
https://www.webscorer.com/race?raceid=277148&embed=1
And........on the USA Cycling page:
Results for Carolinas Cycling Association (NC/SC) Regional Time Trial Championship - USA Cycling
You've got a pride problem with this, and it permeates the forum with some of the topics. Advice is to take it from an 11 down to like a 5 or 6, out of 10.
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Power figures courtesy of aeroweenie calc for 80kg bike and rider, 1.19 air density, .195 TT rider CdA, .300 roadie CdA, .400 CRR, and 53 kph. 53kph is what Ganna won Imola doing. Solo.
The math isn't on your side. They've also done pro and cat 1 crits on outdoor velodromes. Those often average about 30mph, with about 35 or 40 riders.
Campanaerts in the youtube video pulled roadies and a TT bike OFF his wheel, not just them racing separate. They couldn't hold his wheel while he rode the TT bike. In the video the Alpecin rider on the road bike is Louis Vervaeke. A pro. Ridden off the wheel. 20th in the 2021 Giro Italia.
C'mon ya'll.........give it up.
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Honestly, nobody asked you. You've for years jumped into topics like this with the recumbent stuff with questionable data, claims, and "this would crush that" nonsense.
You even contradict yourself in your own post when you start backpedalling your claims from "destroy that record" to "there are not too many bent riders who can do that power for 44 minutes".
Right. Weak flex. Weak.
To the rest.........ya'll realize there's stage finish times for TTT's done on road bikes, right? And there's also stage finish times for plenty of pro ITT's. Sorry to say, the road bike TTT's are universally slower. I already posted the example from a real result.
Ganna did 33mph in Imola. Aeroweenie puts a roadie with a .300 CdA on a road bike at 630w for that speed. Which is a great CdA for a road bike setup. Most pros can probably do 630 for 90 seconds? Maybe 120 seconds? Ganna did Imola in about 35min. 35min divided by 2min worth of pulling?
Try again.
You even contradict yourself in your own post when you start backpedalling your claims from "destroy that record" to "there are not too many bent riders who can do that power for 44 minutes".
Right. Weak flex. Weak.
To the rest.........ya'll realize there's stage finish times for TTT's done on road bikes, right? And there's also stage finish times for plenty of pro ITT's. Sorry to say, the road bike TTT's are universally slower. I already posted the example from a real result.
Ganna did 33mph in Imola. Aeroweenie puts a roadie with a .300 CdA on a road bike at 630w for that speed. Which is a great CdA for a road bike setup. Most pros can probably do 630 for 90 seconds? Maybe 120 seconds? Ganna did Imola in about 35min. 35min divided by 2min worth of pulling?
Try again.
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I always find it ironic that people always talk about how fast recumbents are, yet in practice the recumbent riders I see are rarely fast.
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I know one recumbent rider that is pretty fast. The rest are slow, mostly because it's hard to pedal hard when you're constantly telling everyone they should be on a recumbent.
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As for the original argument, it would be interesting to see how many pros it would take to beat a pro on a TT bike. GCN showed that it took four amateurs and a pro to beat an amateur on a TT bike (and just barely). The only question is how many pros it would take to beat the pro on a TT bike.
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Lead pro rider is not going to have a CdA of 0.300, this is as unlikely as a TT rider having a CdA of 0.180, more like 0.250 for the lead rider.
550-600 watts of 20-30 seconds every 2-4 minutes is achievable for a pro.
What do you guys do your Tabata intervals at?
550-600 watts of 20-30 seconds every 2-4 minutes is achievable for a pro.
What do you guys do your Tabata intervals at?
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You don't ride a TT bike, you ride a recumbent. So no, you try to keep it on topic. "TT bike" isn't remotely vague. There's even a youtube video where Campanaerts already did this in a youtube video..........with a TT bike. TT bike is a recognized class of bike, with geometry and other rules within many series.
You love to derail these topics with your recumbent stuff. It is perfectly fine to be as proud as you are about it, but you don't stay ON TOPIC. Sometimes, it's "close enough" to being on topic. Frequently it isn't. Would it make sense for an unrestricted e-bike person posting up in the topic to contribute to "Would one TT bike win a full pro team of road racers?". No it wouldn't. Neither would a recumbent person trying to wedge into the topic so they can backdoor brag either.
So, here's the results sheet. So........do you deny facts also? Recumbent and handcycle class.
https://www.webscorer.com/race?raceid=277148&embed=1
And........on the USA Cycling page:
Results for Carolinas Cycling Association (NC/SC) Regional Time Trial Championship - USA Cycling
You've got a pride problem with this, and it permeates the forum with some of the topics. Advice is to take it from an 11 down to like a 5 or 6, out of 10.
You love to derail these topics with your recumbent stuff. It is perfectly fine to be as proud as you are about it, but you don't stay ON TOPIC. Sometimes, it's "close enough" to being on topic. Frequently it isn't. Would it make sense for an unrestricted e-bike person posting up in the topic to contribute to "Would one TT bike win a full pro team of road racers?". No it wouldn't. Neither would a recumbent person trying to wedge into the topic so they can backdoor brag either.
So, here's the results sheet. So........do you deny facts also? Recumbent and handcycle class.
https://www.webscorer.com/race?raceid=277148&embed=1
And........on the USA Cycling page:
Results for Carolinas Cycling Association (NC/SC) Regional Time Trial Championship - USA Cycling
You've got a pride problem with this, and it permeates the forum with some of the topics. Advice is to take it from an 11 down to like a 5 or 6, out of 10.
What I know about you from here and other forums? You are a relatively new rider. You purchased speed with fancy equipment and probably have a low CdA powered by a mediocre FTP getting you some local TT wins. Big deal. How about you take it down a notch or two
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The stereotypical ignorant "I could do that with fancier equipment" or in this case "you can only do that due to your wallet" retort. The lazy response to assume one can buy Ganna's bike and go even remotely fast on the bike. Seen it all too many times. Sure, have at it. Open wallet, stay slow.
Again, the best indicator of performance is performance itself. AKA, results. We had a guy on our race team run out and buy the fanciest Cannondale Slice when I was still running my free carbon repaired Felt DA frameset. He couldn't ever get it setup to his liking even with a local fitter, he never rode it. Never tested anything aero-wise with the fit. Sold it, quit TT.
It's 95% in the fit and the legs, and that's all homework and no wallet. But, since you say you have a TT bike you should already know that. Especially if we have posts in this topic with Golden Cheetah virtual elevation going on. That's homework, that's not a wallet. That homework is worth vastly more than the equipment.
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No, because a full pro team of road racers is not being offered as a prize.