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Old 08-22-20, 10:38 AM
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Frozen Water Bottle Fail

I tried freezing a water bottle in the hope that I would have some cool water. Did not work. Completely melted by the time I drank it.

Does anybody make any effort to keep water cool in hot weather? Insulated water bottle? Or is it futile. Just live with warm water.
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Camelbak Podium Chill.
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Camelbak Podium Chill.
Pack with ice and water then good for an hour at 90 F. Have not froze one yet.
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Camelback Podium Chill, put a few ounces of water in, store in freezer. Prior to ride, fill with water, and go.

The ice will melt within the first hour, but I'm doing 2 hour rides in 90F heat, and the water stays cool at least.
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I fill one 1/2 full of water and 1/4 full of water then freeze. Drink the 1/4 first and 1/2 I normally don't get ice left in the second but its usually still cold. I use the Polar chill bottles.

But when really hot its tough I know, its always hard to keep things cold.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Camelbak Podium Chill.
^^^^^^
THIS

The night before I fill one 95% and a second 50% and put them in the freezer standing up. In the morning I fill the remainder anf go for a ride. I have cold water for up to 2 hours later, but by then i've already drank both bottles.
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I am using regular cheap water bottles. Maybe I need to try some insulated bottles.
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I have a Camelbak Podium Ice which is the same physical size as a Podium Big Chill but only holds 21oz due to the extra insulation. It is more effective than the Podium Chill at keeping my ice water cold but all of these have limits in hot weather. I normally start my rides with a Podium Chill in the downtube cage and the Podium Ice in the seat tube cage. This gives me enough cold water in 90°F but I only ride about 1 ¾ hours at most usually. BTW, these are the old style Podiums with the valve that can't be easily disassembled.

When I lived in PHX I used to freeze water in std. bottles but it can be quite tricky getting just the right amount of ice so you don't end up with hot water or a big chunk of ice in the bottle which doesn't do you any good.
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
I am using regular cheap water bottles. Maybe I need to try some insulated bottles.
Insulated bottles to start with. Fill one 1/2 full other to 3/4 and in freezer overnight or earlier when I ride my Midnight Madness 100 milers. When heading out in goes the ice cubes to top then cold refrigerated water and I put them into Bottle Cozies my wife made from thick socks. SW FL here and ice still around 2 - 3 hours.

On many rides I put Heineken 0.0 with cubes in one of the 1/2 frozen bottles and in 2nd bottle some lemon slices cut in 1/4 to eat as a treat when water is almost gone. Waiting for BUD ZERO to show up.
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I've long been accustomed to drinking the water at whatever temperature it's at. A couple hours in the sun will get it warm, but it's never gotten what I'd consider hot.

Even at home I don't care about cold drinking water. I have water bottles in several places in the house and I'm used to drinking it at room temp. I refill them from a Brita filter pitcher on the counter, so it's never chilled to begin with. It always does seem a little cool anyway because room temp is lower than body temp.
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I keep an insulated Polarbottle in the freezer with an inch or two of water in the bottom. Fill it with some ice cubes and cold water. Stays cold for quite a while.
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
I tried freezing a water bottle in the hope that I would have some cool water. Did not work. Completely melted by the time I drank it.

Does anybody make any effort to keep water cool in hot weather? Insulated water bottle? Or is it futile. Just live with warm water.
Your bike was too fast. Atmospheric friction melted the ice.
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I like polar bottles. I'm easily bought, they sent me three lids when I asked them if I could buy one. They consider a lost lid to be a warranty issue.
Seems pretty much the same as the Camelback I have, which is delegated to trainer duty now for some reason.
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I freeze mine and have no problems.
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
I tried freezing a water bottle in the hope that I would have some cool water. Did not work. Completely melted by the time I drank it.

Does anybody make any effort to keep water cool in hot weather? Insulated water bottle? Or is it futile. Just live with warm water.
How long was your ride ? You shouldn't be drinking water that has ice in it anyway.
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Originally Posted by holytrousers
How long was your ride ? You shouldn't be drinking water that has ice in it anyway.
Three and a half hour ride. I left hydrated. I did not drink anything until I was over an hour into my ride. Melted by then. Still not warm yet, so I suppose it helped a bit.
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stainless insulated room for water to expand when frozen?
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Insulated bottles are good for hot tea in the winter too.
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I find water at ambient temperature to be much easier on my stomach than drinking icy cold water in hot weather. The hotter it is, the warmer I like my water
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cozy around a frozen 16.9 water bottle lasts about 2 hours to be still chilled water.
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Install a couple of insulated bottles with a drinking hose. Good for a full afternoon of riding. Don't seem to drink as much when it is coldhttps://www.walmart.com/ip/bubba-Tra...andy/938386276
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
Three and a half hour ride. I left hydrated. I did not drink anything until I was over an hour into my ride. Melted by then. Still not warm yet, so I suppose it helped a bit.
No water bottle sized chunk of ice is going to last long in temperatures over about 80°F and the hotter it is, the less long it will last. Even insulation won’t help that much. Simple thermodynamics.

If you want cold water for a longer time...easily the 3.5 hours...use a hydration pack. I’ve used 100 oz Camelbaks packed with as much ice as it will hold in temperatures as high as 100°F for up to 4 hours and still had some ice left. As an added benefit, the hydration pack is cold against your back. I know this is sacrilege in road biking circles but the Camelbak was invented by road bike riders for road bike rides.

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How long was your ride ? You shouldn't be drinking water that has ice in it anyway.
There is nothing wrong with drinking ice water. It’s refreshing and, for most people, encourages consumption of more water. The point is to drink water and most people don’t really enjoy drinking hot water.
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you could stop at a store for a cold one
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
No water bottle sized chunk of ice is going to last long in temperatures over about 80°F and the hotter it is, the less long it will last. Even insulation won’t help that much. Simple thermodynamics.

If you want cold water for a longer time...easily the 3.5 hours...use a hydration pack. I’ve used 100 oz Camelbaks packed with as much ice as it will hold in temperatures as high as 100°F for up to 4 hours and still had some ice left. As an added benefit, the hydration pack is cold against your back. I know this is sacrilege in road biking circles but the Camelbak was invented by road bike riders for road bike rides.



There is nothing wrong with drinking ice water. It’s refreshing and, for most people, encourages consumption of more water. The point is to drink water and most people don’t really enjoy drinking hot water.
>>> i use a 3L Platypus hydration pack. I fill it to app 40% & freeze. When i ride fill it up and i have 3L of cold water for 4+ hours.
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Insulated water bottle -- Polar, CamelBak, whatever, they're all good -- and add electrolytes. The salty stuff keeps it cold longer.

In warm weather I usually take two 24 oz bottles, one chilled, the other frozen. Even on 100F rides the second bottle is usually still half frozen by the time I've finished the first, usually about an hour.

With plain water in plain bottles, they'll be piss warm in 30 minutes.

I just got a 2 liter hydration backpack for longer casual rides. Kinda doubt I'll enjoy the extra piss warm water, so I'll probably use it to hose down my head and jersey. But maybe it'll surprise me and come in handy. And there's room for frozen gel packs, so maybe there's a way to keep the water pack cool longer, if I don't mind the extra weight.

Double wall stainless bottles will keep frozen or hot stuff for hours. I've had a frozen stainless bottle still slushy and ice cold after a 12 hour summer day/night ride. They're heavy but great when you want/need a hot drink in winter or cold drink in summer.
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