View Poll Results: What component manufacturer do you prefere? Shimano or SRAM?
Shimano
86
66.15%
SRAM
19
14.62%
I like fluffy clouds
25
19.23%
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Are you a Shimano or a SRAM person?
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I have no idea to what SRAM's actual business figures look like, but I would guess that the numbers are very close to SRAM's market penetration circa 2008 when Red first came out. Talking road groups.
I'm surprised that nothing has changed. Yes, they had that bad rap about the front shifting but you would think all that would have been sorted out by now.
Something is wrong when you get beat by fluffy clouds.
I'm surprised that nothing has changed. Yes, they had that bad rap about the front shifting but you would think all that would have been sorted out by now.
Something is wrong when you get beat by fluffy clouds.
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I have 23,000 miles and still have the original shifter batteries. I can remove the rd and reinstall without attaching a cable. No cable to wear. and I can power shift the front and rear at the same time.
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The most compelling reason for wanting to shift with one hand is if you're using the other one. Eating, drinking, carrying something. PITA much?
That's great, but cables, electrical or mechanical, don't scare me.
That's great, but cables, electrical or mechanical, don't scare me.
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Hate is a powerful word, and I hate the ergonomics of double tap. I will never own an electronic shifting group unless all of you good people get together and buy me one.
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Im for full group sets. Often ppl complain their SRimanolo groups have this that or the other issue, but looking closer, often cables, brakes, crank, BB, what ever, is replaced with a cheaper alternative that just isn't tested to the same degree as a full group. Now you have cable friction, dropped chains, weak brakes, etc. Even on expensive bikes that should just work, no questions asked.
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Im for full group sets. Often ppl complain their SRimanolo groups have this that or the other issue, but looking closer, often cables, brakes, crank, BB, what ever, is replaced with a cheaper alternative that just isn't tested to the same degree as a full group. Now you have cable friction, dropped chains, weak brakes, etc. Even on expensive bikes that should just work, no questions asked.
Specialized is the biggest offender, using Shimano gear with Praxis cranks on 90% of their bikes.
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My mostly 7700 bike (7400 rear brake, 7800 cranks, Centaur shifters with Shiftmate) admittedly required me to tweak the rear shifter by removing the spring carrier's float, but that done, it couldn't shift nicer. Can't remember if I put a 10s chain on the 9s drivetrain to minimise rub though.
With the Yaw FD on the Red bike that trick wasn't as worthwhile, but still made the whole shebang a tad quieter. Also those 11s chains are way better, due to the proper bushings pressed into the side plates, so if you can use one, you probably should...
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#91
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Campagnolo Super Record and Record for forty five years on all of my road bikes, Shimano on my one mountain bike. Currently enjoy the Record Triple on my Waterford RS33.
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Having crushed Fichtel - Sachs, in a buy out, Sram recently dumped their IGH sector
having un bolted and shipped German production Machines to Taiwan..
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My 10s Red bike has DA brakes (7700/7400 f/r), 11s DA chain, SEQlite cassette, 12/14t narrow/wide resin pulleys, and is smooth as butter. Shifts like a dream, has great brake modulation and power.
My mostly 7700 bike (7400 rear brake, 7800 cranks, Centaur shifters with Shiftmate) admittedly required me to tweak the rear shifter by removing the spring carrier's float, but that done, it couldn't shift nicer. Can't remember if I put a 10s chain on the 9s drivetrain to minimise rub though.
With the Yaw FD on the Red bike that trick wasn't as worthwhile, but still made the whole shebang a tad quieter. Also those 11s chains are way better, due to the proper bushings pressed into the side plates, so if you can use one, you probably should...
My mostly 7700 bike (7400 rear brake, 7800 cranks, Centaur shifters with Shiftmate) admittedly required me to tweak the rear shifter by removing the spring carrier's float, but that done, it couldn't shift nicer. Can't remember if I put a 10s chain on the 9s drivetrain to minimise rub though.
With the Yaw FD on the Red bike that trick wasn't as worthwhile, but still made the whole shebang a tad quieter. Also those 11s chains are way better, due to the proper bushings pressed into the side plates, so if you can use one, you probably should...
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This is a good point, and finding a bike with a FULL groupset is tough, even at higher price points. Mine was a true full 105 bike EXCEPT Tektro calipers, which I upgraded upon purchase to match.
Specialized is the biggest offender, using Shimano gear with Praxis cranks on 90% of their bikes.
Specialized is the biggest offender, using Shimano gear with Praxis cranks on 90% of their bikes.
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Sure, I get that. You can make it work. Im just claiming you are less likely to succeed compared to a full group that includes all the parts. At least my experience with mixed drive trains and brake setups have been less than stellar. From experience, "notchy" brake lever feel, poor braking, creaky crank and dropped chains. And that was a factory equipped Giant "shimano105" Defy, that had FSA cranks, JAG wire cables, KMC chain and noname brakes. This just doesn't happen with a full Shimano group if you include all the parts (cables too). YMMW, and all that :-)
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My point is that manufacturers aren't "cheaping out" by spec'ing Praxis cranks.
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I don't know if they are or not, but that's besides the point; it's a mismatch to the rest of the groupset that was engineered by another company.
I'll take a full Shimano groupset vs a nearly full Shimano groupset mated to a crank by someone else. There's a lot to be said for the engineering synergy between components that come from one manufacturer that are truly engineered to work together in harmony.
I also am not sure where you got the idea I was saying Specialized was "cheaping out" (your quotes, not mine) using Praxis cranks, because I never said nor insinuated that was the case; I simply said they are the biggest offender when it comes to being hard to find a full groupset bike in their lineup. Virtually anything under $3-$4k from them is not going to be a full, matching groupset.
I'll take a full Shimano groupset vs a nearly full Shimano groupset mated to a crank by someone else. There's a lot to be said for the engineering synergy between components that come from one manufacturer that are truly engineered to work together in harmony.
I also am not sure where you got the idea I was saying Specialized was "cheaping out" (your quotes, not mine) using Praxis cranks, because I never said nor insinuated that was the case; I simply said they are the biggest offender when it comes to being hard to find a full groupset bike in their lineup. Virtually anything under $3-$4k from them is not going to be a full, matching groupset.
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I imagine that's a minority opinion. Specialized has a monetary interest, here.
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Better bang-for-the-buck.