Joefishus

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Is it a gios?

noglider 

Not enough info for me, but I notice things I would not expect to be on an Italian bike: Suntour shifters, Weinmann or Diacompe brakes. Worse yet, Nervex lugs. I don't think it's a Gios.

Joefishus

Down tube 59cm top 58cm thread in BB 20mmOD

abarth

What size is the seat post? Got picture of the whole bike?

Joefishus

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=255532092

Joefishus

Seat post around 26mm ID

abarth

I don't know, 26mm post, Stronglight headset and Nervex lugs, the whole thing smells like escargot to me.

unworthy1

true that, it's bound to be French, probably a good one with metric 531 tubing...measure the OD of the 3 main tubes.

Joefishus

top tube is 26mm and seat and down tubes are 28mm. Not totally exact will have vernier soon.

EjustE

There is no way this is a Gios. Nice looking bike, great lugs, probably French, but not a Gios. Wrong lugs, wrong BB, wrong color, wrong fork, wrong decals, wrong frame details

Too bad it was frankened.

edit: This is a Gios of the era of your bike (late 70s)



and these are the Gios (80s) decals used in that bike



as you can see, the TT decal in the bike in question belongs to the DT. And Gios was a company that subscribed to the "better dead than red" axiom

abarth

Metric tubing measurement. It is French.

Joefishus

How do I find out what French make?

I would like to know for restoration!

retyred

I'll agree that it is French, from the 60s, probably a Peugeot.

Grand Bois

I was going to say that it's definitely not a Peugeot based on the seat stay caps. They look more like Gitane, but I've never seen a Gitane with Nervex Pro lugs.

abarth

Don't think is a Gitane or Motobecane either. I think Gitane has long seat stay caps in the 60's.

EjustE

The seat cluster looks a lot like this Monark



and this Bricks

Joefishus

Actual seatpost measures 25.5mm, but the tube it goes into is 26mm.
Down Tube and seat tube OD is 28mm top tube is 26mm.
BB Shell ID 33.8mm

What else? I really want to ID this thing.

Joefishus

Was also this decal on down tube

Joefishus

Should I paint it or powdercoat?

Grand Bois

Gitane seat stay cap:

Joefishus

Pump pegs on bottom of top tube....

Bianchigirll 

some people will do anything to keep from riding carbon fiber

Ex Pres 

I swapped a couple emails with a fellow on here that had a late 60's TdF for sale that had Nervex Pro lugs. I didn't buy it, though.

I think to have any hope of IDing it you're going to have to take pretty accurate frame tube, wheelbase, angle measurements, etc.

old and new

I don' know, it seems everytime a Gios comes up here at BF, it's met with skeptisism. I wouldn't be suspicious of any Gios based on its having Nervex lugs. Quite a few did as recently as the early '80s, Torinos for example. there's no compelling reason to suspect that it's French though many French Co.s used Nervex as well as England and Italy at times. Nervex was a company, that's compnies do, sell stuff to those who buy.
There's some cofusion over the tubing; the meas. which I won't repeat are either slightly off or not. If they're off by a fraction of a mil., it makes sense that the bike isn't French as the French used not so slightly smaller dia. downtubes. NOT what I can clearly see that the Gios has. Put it this way, you're meas. plently accurately to rule out France or French meas. tubes dimensions any way
The color blue only became Gios' official color AFTER 1974, once they won the USA races used by the Brooklyn Team. Even the '80s had red ones. These days though, the legendary race team and all that it encompasses, trumps Gios' much older history. Gios was NOT a "Hi-End" bike Co. 'till then. Respected , yes but no Colnago which me to another point; Colnagos were sourced and counterfeited. The former facilitated the latter. Colnago buy and sold bikes from and to other Co.s. Gios wasn't big into that, to the extent that they did it at all. Again, I just don't see that the bike market is rife with bogus red Gios bikes. I know, I've read the rumors of fake Gios but as far I believe, these stories are just that. Look at the badge; it's a true decal, under the clearcoat or .... not a tranfer anyway. Too old, too Gios. Not like the ones which have only been available since the PC boom, the internet. All deduction on my part. At least it not pure skeptisism and doubt for a few or no reasons. There were Gios fakes some time ago, they were blue as red ones would've roused suspicion just like this one is now.
Gios bikes have the logo cut BB shell. One member listed a Monark, interesting. Others note the stays. That other ad. link provided is the same bike I guess. That Funky Fork looks SO not Italian. I can clearly see why folks are puzzled here, I am too.
I've no stake in the bike. I'm not asserting that it's legit, bogus, sourced, I'm not really asserting anything. I'm simply providing opposing views to some observations which aren't definative. If the bike's cheap, buying it is a small calculated risk. If one should want to profit greatly by flippin' it, I doubt it, Gios' don't fetch what they're worth, not even blue ones, even though they're gettin' more creds. of late. Not the red ones in any case. Gios bikes fail in e-bay. This one's failing here.

Ex Pres 

I'm lost on this point. His measurements correspond exactly to a metric tube set, making it more than likely French.