Bar End Shifter 'er No? That is the question.
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First off, I love bar end shifters. All of my main bikes have them. The Suntour barcons are as good as everyone says. Even so, I stumbled on some old shimano bar end shifters that are, in my opinion, far superior. The feel like retrofriction shifters to me.
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Back in the day lots of us raced with bar end shifters. My 1964 Legnano came new with them. I loved them then, and I love them now.
Then ...
... and now.
Then ...
... and now.
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One big advantage for the bar ends is riding with mitts when its below freezing. Downtubes work OK but there's no shifting both with one hand and its a bit of a fumble. Brifters are hopeless. Bar ends are no problem, don't even know you've got the mitts on.
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First off, I love bar end shifters. All of my main bikes have them. The Suntour barcons are as good as everyone says. Even so, I stumbled on some old shimano bar end shifters that are, in my opinion, far superior. The feel like retrofriction shifters to me.
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Whilst we’re on the topic, has anyone else noticed if routing bar-end shifter cables under the bar wrap affects shifting smoothness? They tend to undergo a pretty tight bend near the stem as they exit the wrapped portion.
Although I’m more bothered by [brake] cables encroaching the space above handlebars than shifter cables hovering below the bars, it *is* nice when the entire area is cleaner and hidden under the wrap.
Although I’m more bothered by [brake] cables encroaching the space above handlebars than shifter cables hovering below the bars, it *is* nice when the entire area is cleaner and hidden under the wrap.
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Whilst we’re on the topic, has anyone else noticed if routing bar-end shifter cables under the bar wrap affects shifting smoothness? They tend to undergo a pretty tight bend near the stem as they exit the wrapped portion.
Although I’m more bothered by [brake] cables encroaching the space above handlebars than shifter cables hovering below the bars, it *is* nice when the entire area is cleaner and hidden under the wrap.
Although I’m more bothered by [brake] cables encroaching the space above handlebars than shifter cables hovering below the bars, it *is* nice when the entire area is cleaner and hidden under the wrap.
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In a different vein...and at the risk of being labeled a nonconformist...I absolutely love my indexed Shimano bar ends, as well as the mustache bars!
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It doesn't seem to matter. Modern 11-speed indexed drivetrains are more sensitive to bad behaviors in cable&housing than old-school friction setups, and they leave the wrap the same way.
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Thank you for all the responses! I did not think I would get so many! I do like the look of the cables under the tape. I have some mustache bars too that I am keen to try, maybe I will try them together!
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I will start with the ones I have and look for some C&V Suntours to try as well! Now which bike to try them on...
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Regarding the Suntour/Shimano question, I’ve always considered Shimano setups more sterile. The indexing is crisp, but seems to be rigid and relies on forgiveness from the hg cassette. Friction mode feels even worse, requiring lots of trimming. I think they are definitely designed to work better indexed, and with Shimano components. I must say, however, that reliability has always been excellent.
Suntour’s accushift, at least on my complete XC 9000 setup, works flawlessly in both modes. There is a ‘springiness’ that always seems to bring the lever far enough to switch cogs, but brings it back to perfect alignment after shifting— no trimming needed. However, this takes a bit longer to first setup whenever I replace cables.
Friction with ratcheting has always given me great confidence in use. This applies to all older Suntour barcons I own.
Suntour’s accushift, at least on my complete XC 9000 setup, works flawlessly in both modes. There is a ‘springiness’ that always seems to bring the lever far enough to switch cogs, but brings it back to perfect alignment after shifting— no trimming needed. However, this takes a bit longer to first setup whenever I replace cables.
Friction with ratcheting has always given me great confidence in use. This applies to all older Suntour barcons I own.
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Whilst we’re on the topic, has anyone else noticed if routing bar-end shifter cables under the bar wrap affects shifting smoothness? They tend to undergo a pretty tight bend near the stem as they exit the wrapped portion.
Although I’m more bothered by [brake] cables encroaching the space above handlebars than shifter cables hovering below the bars, it *is* nice when the entire area is cleaner and hidden under the wrap.
Although I’m more bothered by [brake] cables encroaching the space above handlebars than shifter cables hovering below the bars, it *is* nice when the entire area is cleaner and hidden under the wrap.
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My first encounter with barcons was waaaay back in '76 on my college roommate's bike. I felt that the barcons were a marked improvement to either stem- or downtube shifters -- Never having to take one's hands off the bars to shift! Just slide the hand back a bit and shift with either the heel of the hand to push down, or hooking a pinky under it to pull up to shift. Brilliant!
I quickly ordered a set of SunTour barcons from the old Bike Warehouse for all of $9.95 that included the double cable stop and the bare coiled stainless housing and cable set. In the 40+ years since, any newly acquired 'road' bike gets a set as a part of my initial refurb/refit . Since I never adopted the newer riding posture of riding on the hoods, the 'advantage' of brifters isn't for me...
Years ago I tried to route my barcon cables under the bar wrap, but it seemed to put too much drag on the inner cable. Maybe with the newer teflon lined housing and slick inner cables it would work better...
So put me down for a 'Yes!' to barcons!
I quickly ordered a set of SunTour barcons from the old Bike Warehouse for all of $9.95 that included the double cable stop and the bare coiled stainless housing and cable set. In the 40+ years since, any newly acquired 'road' bike gets a set as a part of my initial refurb/refit . Since I never adopted the newer riding posture of riding on the hoods, the 'advantage' of brifters isn't for me...
Years ago I tried to route my barcon cables under the bar wrap, but it seemed to put too much drag on the inner cable. Maybe with the newer teflon lined housing and slick inner cables it would work better...
So put me down for a 'Yes!' to barcons!
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i agree, the modern Shimano shifters are great. I use mine indexed mostly, but I’m friction mode lately since it’s due for maintenance. Either way, they are really nice shifters.
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In my opinion, Simplex Retrofriction bar end shifters are the best you can find, but they are nearly impossible to find.
I dislike Suntour Barcons and all other friction shifters that click.
I dislike Suntour Barcons and all other friction shifters that click.
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Barcons are OK and easier to use than their down tube cousins. However, they are not perfect when compared to Brifters (my opinion). That said, I do run bar end shifters, indexed, on my Jamaica bike, a 1982 Bianchi Touring. I really do like the indexed version of the bar end shifters, finding them to be easier and more positive to use, than the Suntour, Simplex and Campy Barcons that have been fitted to some of my bikes, then and now. Anyway, my favorite bar end shifters, so far and about to see another few months of use in a few days...
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1973 Super Mondia, Campy Bar Ends were standard
This is the only one of my bikes that has them. I like them , it just takes a little getting used to after many years of reaching for the down tube's. Joe (joesvintageroadbikes.wordpress)
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I’m kind of surprised by the amount of people that are not experienced with bar end shifters or Barcons. I have two bikes with Suntour Barcons and one with Shimano indexed 7 speed bar end shifters. Additionally, I have one set of DT shifters (Simplex Retrofrictions) and 3 sets of Suntour Command shifters in use. I do have a set of Ultegra brifters that I’ll get around to using one of these days- But I do prefer the Command Shifters to the other options for drop bars.
The “why” is pretty simple- you have control of the handlebars with both hands while shifting. That means you can shift more often, with more control over the bike and more control over the shift. Whether anyone feels you should not have to look using shifters- the point is that shifting is a skill that needs to be practiced to develop proficiency. But even at the ultimate level of proficiency that can possibly be attained, downtube shifters require you to let go of the handlebar with one hand.
As far as cable routing... I’ve done it a few different ways. The more traditional manner is running the cable/housing out of the bar wrap at the lower bend of the bars, looping it back around to the cable stop on the same side. I’ve also routed the cable/housing to the OPPOSITE side of the downtube. (As referenced by Sheldon Brown as “Criss Cross Cable” routing). The advantage is you get more gentle arcs to the cable. The disadvantage is that you need to cross the cables back under the downtube if you wish to have the right shifter control the rear derailleur. In practice- it’s not a problem at all. The only problem I’ve found is if you have ‘over the top of the BB’ cable routing- it’s more difficult to cross the cables under the downtube because they WILL rub against the bottom of the down tube.
You can also run the cable up along the bars so that it exits the bar wrap up by the stem- this has the advantage of looking “cleaner” as some people like- it also keeps the cables out of the way of any front bags or accessories that may be in the cable arc. You can, again, run the cables to either cable stop and cross as necessary... Again, going to the opposite cable stop makes the arc more gentle. If you do choose to run cables with more extreme bends, you’re best served in using modern coated cables and lubed housing just to reduce as much friction as possible. Heck, you’re best off using that stuff anyway.
The “why” is pretty simple- you have control of the handlebars with both hands while shifting. That means you can shift more often, with more control over the bike and more control over the shift. Whether anyone feels you should not have to look using shifters- the point is that shifting is a skill that needs to be practiced to develop proficiency. But even at the ultimate level of proficiency that can possibly be attained, downtube shifters require you to let go of the handlebar with one hand.
As far as cable routing... I’ve done it a few different ways. The more traditional manner is running the cable/housing out of the bar wrap at the lower bend of the bars, looping it back around to the cable stop on the same side. I’ve also routed the cable/housing to the OPPOSITE side of the downtube. (As referenced by Sheldon Brown as “Criss Cross Cable” routing). The advantage is you get more gentle arcs to the cable. The disadvantage is that you need to cross the cables back under the downtube if you wish to have the right shifter control the rear derailleur. In practice- it’s not a problem at all. The only problem I’ve found is if you have ‘over the top of the BB’ cable routing- it’s more difficult to cross the cables under the downtube because they WILL rub against the bottom of the down tube.
You can also run the cable up along the bars so that it exits the bar wrap up by the stem- this has the advantage of looking “cleaner” as some people like- it also keeps the cables out of the way of any front bags or accessories that may be in the cable arc. You can, again, run the cables to either cable stop and cross as necessary... Again, going to the opposite cable stop makes the arc more gentle. If you do choose to run cables with more extreme bends, you’re best served in using modern coated cables and lubed housing just to reduce as much friction as possible. Heck, you’re best off using that stuff anyway.
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First off, I love bar end shifters. All of my main bikes have them. The Suntour barcons are as good as everyone says. Even so, I stumbled on some old shimano bar end shifters that are, in my opinion, far superior. The feel like retrofriction shifters to me.
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I love Simplex Retrofriction shifters- there’s something special and smooth about the pawl-less clutch of Retrofrictions- but the Shimano shifters aren’t clutched- they just rely on spring tension in the lever mechanism to counter the derailleur spring. So while there’s no clicking- and it’s “smooth,” the lever don’t have that “clutched” feel that are the signature of the Retrofrictions.
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2 I have are covered; Campag with Campag Rally RD
and the Sun tour with slant panto RD (Campag Euclid) on my loaded touring bike..
Standard 6 speed freewheels or 7 ..
I have a retro spring shimano, in my parts bin, found they're good on the front,
balancing the return spring force of the FD.. so it moves effortlessly.
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and the Sun tour with slant panto RD (Campag Euclid) on my loaded touring bike..
Standard 6 speed freewheels or 7 ..
I have a retro spring shimano, in my parts bin, found they're good on the front,
balancing the return spring force of the FD.. so it moves effortlessly.
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Lots of nice pics of bar-ends, but none yet with ultra-cool white tip covers!
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