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Have you ever considered the fact that some people don't want to / like to be stuck on a train/bus with a bunch of other stinky loud people or crying babies?
I am one of those people. I would rather be stuck in a traffic jam in my own car than be stuck on mass transit with a bunch of others. It's too peopley in those things.
I am one of those people. I would rather be stuck in a traffic jam in my own car than be stuck on mass transit with a bunch of others. It's too peopley in those things.
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Where my commute is involved, I could do a bike/bus/bike commute, but the problem there is that I am locked into the bus schedule, additional wait time, and additional cycling time.
We just visited Quebec city for a week and they have a marvelous bus system -- from where we stayed in an airbnb rental, there was a choice of at least three bus lines within a 2-block radius which would get us downtown and back, including an express bus. Also within that radius was any number of services, including a grocery store, restaurants, entertainment venues, etc. It would be very easy to LCF there; not so much in the semi-rural area where we live in the USA...
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Greyhound and other inter-city buses have very limited stops, usually a terminal... to which one has to travel before even climbing on board a bus. In my neck of the woods, there is no convenient public transit to get to the local bus line, which means either a call to a friend for a ride or a taxi/rideshare service for the 8-10mi ride.
Where my commute is involved, I could do a bike/bus/bike commute, but the problem there is that I am locked into the bus schedule, additional wait time, and additional cycling time.
We just visited Quebec city for a week and they have a marvelous bus system -- from where we stayed in an airbnb rental, there was a choice of at least three bus lines within a 2-block radius which would get us downtown and back, including an express bus. Also within that radius was any number of services, including a grocery store, restaurants, entertainment venues, etc. It would be very easy to LCF there; not so much in the semi-rural area where we live in the USA...
Where my commute is involved, I could do a bike/bus/bike commute, but the problem there is that I am locked into the bus schedule, additional wait time, and additional cycling time.
We just visited Quebec city for a week and they have a marvelous bus system -- from where we stayed in an airbnb rental, there was a choice of at least three bus lines within a 2-block radius which would get us downtown and back, including an express bus. Also within that radius was any number of services, including a grocery store, restaurants, entertainment venues, etc. It would be very easy to LCF there; not so much in the semi-rural area where we live in the USA...
So I would say that people in the 'semi-rural' areas you mention are a little bit spoiled when it comes to expecting to drive as a form of entitlement. I asked the person who told me about China how farmers transported their produce to market, and the response was that certain people in the area had trucks and they went around picking up crops to bring to market. So it's not like every person living in a (semi)rural area needs a truck or car, though they may want on and have a sense of entitlement/expectation that they will have one.
It seems like what you want to do here is make claims about it being easier to LCF in other places as a justification for people who don't or fail at it, but why do you feel the need to defend the choice to drive. If it is something you can afford, it is a choice you have. You are gambling with your money by spending/wasting it on driving, but that is your choice, is it not? What bothers me is when people start complaining about how hard it is to LCF in certain places as if to imply that driving is a right not a privilege, which I've always heard otherwise. You may not like the limitations that LCF puts on you in certain places, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to live without a car. It just means you might only be able to get to go to certain places every once in a while, and you will spend more time getting there and back. But the bright side of that is you waste less money and appreciate the trip more because it is more special.
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Mainly, it was just a comment regarding Greyhound, that it's not just about the big miles done by bus, but also getting to and from the bus terminal on either end of the trip to account for as well.
China is a very different culture and there is a vast difference in wealth and income between those living in rural China and those living in my part of semi-rural USA.
Your inference about what I might or might not be claiming here is completely incorrect. My lifestyle choices are mine to make and I'll not press them on others or make a value judgement about the way I live, compared to what others prefer. Any values regarding entitlement, privilege, limitations, or quality are entirely your own and are not intentionally implied in anything I said.
China is a very different culture and there is a vast difference in wealth and income between those living in rural China and those living in my part of semi-rural USA.
Your inference about what I might or might not be claiming here is completely incorrect. My lifestyle choices are mine to make and I'll not press them on others or make a value judgement about the way I live, compared to what others prefer. Any values regarding entitlement, privilege, limitations, or quality are entirely your own and are not intentionally implied in anything I said.
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@prj71 You get used to it. You learn to tune them out pretty quickly. Stinky people is quite rare...but you can always move to another seat. When I was in Asia, I luv'ed the public transport. It was clean and quite...and no stinky people.
If it is well managed and funded, public transport can be wonderful experience.
If it is well managed and funded, public transport can be wonderful experience.
I spent some time on public transit in the Washington DC area, Boston and Chicago. Hated every bit of it. I like the freedom of going places on my time...not the scheduled time of public transit. Sweaty stinky people were annoying, strangers talking to me that I didn't want to talk to were annoying, peoples kids that were screaming and crying were annoying...no thanks. Get in my own car, pick my own tunes and go.
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No. To expensive. I use Netflix or Amazon video.
Occasionally...but it's with like minded people in a small venue.
I have been to a few NFL games.
Of course.
But if you are trying to compare all of that to public transit...apples and oranges.
Concerts?
Sports events?
Did you go to school?
But if you are trying to compare all of that to public transit...apples and oranges.
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I wonder about rural China as an example of collectively using trucks to get around. Maybe not?
In rural China, a bumper crop of new car owners - latimes
i know the article was from 2009.
so here is a later one.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-ministry-says
i wonder who talked to more people?
In rural China, a bumper crop of new car owners - latimes
i know the article was from 2009.
so here is a later one.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-ministry-says
i wonder who talked to more people?
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Chicago and Boston were work related...so got off the plane and had to use public transit...not by choice.
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And aren't regular planes kind of "peopley"? Why didn't you drive or take a private jet? Did you at least go first class?
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Lol. You need to work on your comprehension. I said it was "work related" so that means the company I work for decides my mode of transportation. They paid for the plane ticket to get me there and then paid for my public transit. I didn't have a choice in the matter. They weren't paying for a rental car, limo or uber.
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We have a community college and a multiplex cinema, which I haven't visited since Guardians Of The Galaxy, the food was eh.
We have a guy I've known since I was a kid who is in charge of the local cultural center and he tries to bring some things to the auditorium as he can, a couple of really good country concerts, others and that makes us a little different here in a town of 10,000, there are more things to actually do in town of note. There is a Saturday Market all summer as well and it's not dullsville, three towns nearby,
But I'm sure that even Illinois has the Boonies.
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Lol. You need to work on your comprehension. I said it was "work related" so that means the company I work for decides my mode of transportation. They paid for the plane ticket to get me there and then paid for my public transit. I didn't have a choice in the matter. They weren't paying for a rental car, limo or uber.
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Lol. You need to work on your comprehension. I said it was "work related" so that means the company I work for decides my mode of transportation. They paid for the plane ticket to get me there and then paid for my public transit. I didn't have a choice in the matter. They weren't paying for a rental car, limo or uber.
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I have to get a ride from my family or a friend to go to many events like that because they are 40-60 miles away on the interstate.
We have a community college and a multiplex cinema, which I haven't visited since Guardians Of The Galaxy, the food was eh.
We have a guy I've known since I was a kid who is in charge of the local cultural center and he tries to bring some things to the auditorium as he can, a couple of really good country concerts, others and that makes us a little different here in a town of 10,000, there are more things to actually do in town of note. There is a Saturday Market all summer as well and it's not dullsville, three towns nearby,
But I'm sure that even Illinois has the Boonies.
We have a community college and a multiplex cinema, which I haven't visited since Guardians Of The Galaxy, the food was eh.
We have a guy I've known since I was a kid who is in charge of the local cultural center and he tries to bring some things to the auditorium as he can, a couple of really good country concerts, others and that makes us a little different here in a town of 10,000, there are more things to actually do in town of note. There is a Saturday Market all summer as well and it's not dullsville, three towns nearby,
But I'm sure that even Illinois has the Boonies.
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Living Car Free
Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.
Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.
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Living Car Free (posted 07-10-18, 11:47 PM)
Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.
Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.
Boston is probably one of the most Car-free cities in the world, and having a car is often detrimental. We live near the transportation hub of Kenmore Square…
Living Car Free (posted 07-21-18, 08:39 PM)
Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.
Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.
I note that your Custom User Title identifies you as “In Real Life / Thread Starter.”
My best wishes, and dittoes to all the previous posts to you and Rowan; his last post on the Fifty-Plus Forum was certainly in his usual classy style.
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They are free to wear knee-high argyle socks and combat boots at McDonalds to get a Happy Meal I suppose, and we have moderators. Works for me.
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That's not how they operate. When they send an employee out of town for work they decide your method of transpiration, which hotel you will stay at and what your daily stipend is for meals.
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Maybe you can help those who seem to have a phobia of pavement,or a phobia about anything they think is "sprawl, or a phobia about accepting that most people try to adjust their lifestyle to current reality, rather than someone else's dreamy vision.
Such phobias may present a serious hindrance to living any kind of lifestyle. Perhaps you should "help" any poster displaying such characteristics.