Mojo31

IMO, $35 is about Tiagra. Good, but not that good.

The Macallan 15 or that Rare Perfection 14 is probably DA Di2 12-speed.

Beyond that it's just ridiculous.

prj71

Must be a roadie thing or a you thing. Gene gets it. As do 99.9% of other cyclist friends that I have had the same conversations with. When I had conversations with other cyclists about the race and mentioned that there was 2-1/2 miles of climbing (Otherwise known as pedaling uphill for 2-1/2 miles). Not one of them took 5280 ft. x 2.5 and said "You had 13,200 ft of climbing?!. They knew exactly what I was talking about. You just wanted to start an argument is what it boils down to or you were just being obtuse.

As Gene noted...in the cyclists word we talk about elevation in feet for climbing and Strava also records and reports this data in feet as well...Strava doesn't report how much climbing you did in miles.

prj71

Yet your veloviewer signature shows ft. for climbing.

Ghazmh

Yes!

WhyFi

Oh, stop.

tomato coupe

To be honest, I also interpreted it as 13,200 feet of climbing. Specifying 2.5 miles of climbing as a distance is pretty meaningless, because it doesn't differentiate between 2.5 miles at a 10% slope or 2.5 miles at a 0.1% slope.

prj71

So now your the 2nd (maybe 3rd person??) I know that would interpret it that way. ~ 2.5 miles at 5% slope. MTB...not road cycling.

tomato coupe

Stating 2.5 miles at 5% slope is much different than stating 2.5 miles of climbing, regardless of whether it's mountain biking or road biking.

Carbonfiberboy 

Oy. This thread went off the rails per BF traditions.

However, recovery feeding is a very interesting subject and one which has not been studied thoroughly. It seems that there's quite a gap between theoretical results of such feeding and real life results. That's always been a problem: athletes are hard to study.

This thread contains some differing opinions from very experienced cyclists. That also fits in with the "athletes are hard to study" paradigm. If you have experimented extensively with different feeding schedules with different types and lengths of activities, please explain.

I found three studies worth reading:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577439/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7400240/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407981/

I found the first study the most interesting, though it is limited by its study of only strength athletes.

IIRC, this controversy got started maybe 20 years ago, when an athletic beverage company published a trial showing that a carbohydrate/protein beverage of some particular ratio (3:1, 3.5:1, I don't remember) aided recovery better than just carbohydrate when consumed within the "anabolic window" of some period of time. And of course they manufactured a beverage with that exact ratio. Well, much later it was realized that both branches of the trial were not given isocaloric feedings. In fact, one branch got X calories of carbohydrate, whereas the other branch got X calories of carbohydrate + Y calories of protein. Later research showed that the exact makeup of a recovery beverage didn't much matter, as long as all were isocaloric.

My understanding, after reading the above studies, is that the anabolic window is important if one is doing 2-a-day or more workouts. For one-a-day, it is not important. What is important for all workouts is the pre-workout and during-workout feedings. I've tested this with gym workouts and agree. I have better recovery if I get carbs + whey before a workout and carbs during. After, I just eat whatever meal it's time for. For long rides, I use a recovery beverage, really just from fear of what'll happen if I don't, not from any personal trials. When one is depleted down to barely walking, it seems a good idea to pour something down ones gullet, right away, and not beer. That's a bit later.

One of the studies was quite against riding fasted if one wanted not to lose muscle mass. Many riders do so though, my guess being that they're trying to get the watts/kg up, which will probably mean loss of muscle mass. Many pros have slim legs. It was also against being keto-adapted and for keeping glycogen levels up as much as possible.

Rando folks: what do you do after a brevet? Around here, the offerings are generally pizza and coke. Works for me.

What I've been doing for long rides or backpacking:
Pre-ride: 17g chocolate flavored whey, 37g demerara sugar, 2g citrulline malate, 200mg caffeine, 1g HMB - the effect lasts maybe 3 hours.
During, cycling: 7:1 maltodextrin/choc. whey protein in water, plain water
During, backpacking: plain water, ordinary lunch and snacks
After riding or backpacking: 28g whey, 37g demerara sugar, 1g HMB
The exact grams is the size of the scoops I use, no great meaning. This is just what I do, rather random, not based on personal experimentation.

Koyote

I can't remember the last time I bought a $35 bottle of Whisky or Whiskey. Maybe that would work if I were into mixed drinks.

$80-$100 is where you get into the good stuff: higher age and/or cask strength. Aberlour is a current fave among the Scotch Whiskys.

prj71

^^^This!!!

Koyote

You and I have found common ground.

prj71

Ha!!! Probably more common than you think.

We just don't agree on jerseys and what the proper way is to indicate elevation when biking.

I just ordered an expensive jersey yesterday also. Only because some local bikers are trying to put together a team to represent at local events.

https://borahteamwear.com/product-ca...cling-jerseys/

Koyote

Which of the jerseys (on that page) are you getting?

prj71

The Pro.

https://borahteamwear.com/shop/cycli...ycling-jersey/