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Old 06-09-23, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Can we have archaic and eat it, too?
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I would suggest that "archaic" might be a good option, rather than "obsolete", when referring to friction shifters.
Regardless of the word you choose, there will be people that find it offensive because it conveys a reality that they want to deny.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
So OP, how did it go with the friction shifting?
It went well, I bought a Bridgestone Kabuki with stem friction shifters. I don’t think the friction vs indexed difference is huge, indexed is definitely more convenient and I don’t love the stem placement on my bike but a bike is a bike and I’m glad to be riding again.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker

This is just plain stupid. You aren't making any sense.
Can you use a word besides "weird"? It has a pejorative implication to some people ......
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By the way ... no one said there were trolls or sock puppets in This thread .... just that "the new norm" attracted them ..... and one could ask how anyone determines what is the "new" norm (or "weird") versus "the "obsolete" or "archaic" norm .......
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Most of the responses here are completely useless to the OP (which is also weird).
Hand me that irony, please .........
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Originally Posted by L26
It went well, I bought a Bridgestone Kabuki with stem friction shifters. I don’t think the friction vs indexed difference is huge, indexed is definitely more convenient and I don’t love the stem placement on my bike but a bike is a bike and I’m glad to be riding again.
Stem shifting is definitely one of the most uncomfortable for me, just behind top-tube mounted shifters and rod-actuated derailleurs with the levers along chainstay and seattube.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Hand me that irony, please .........
I’m aware that my replies aren’t useful to the OP. It's obvious anyway.

Originally Posted by Maelochs
Can you use a word besides "weird"? It has a pejorative implication to some people ......
No. If you find it pejorative, that could be the point.

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Originally Posted by L26
It went well, I bought a Bridgestone Kabuki with stem friction shifters. I don’t think the friction vs indexed difference is huge, indexed is definitely more convenient and I don’t love the stem placement on my bike but a bike is a bike and I’m glad to be riding again.
I have friction stem shifters on one of my bikes at the moment. A vintage MTB with touring bars, and the stem placement leaves all of the handlebar available for different hand grip positions.

I don’t really love the stem placement either, but it’s way better than down tube shifters with more upright bars because it is a much safer reach. Bar ends are more accessible and easier but also much more vulnerable to damage. Glad it works ok for you too.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker
. If you find it pejorative, that could be the point.
Mr. Irony talking about the point ..... no need to dodge it went right past already.

Anyway ... thanks for all you've added.

I hope you kayak in southern or southwestern New Jersey. Or maybe there is some great boating in Newark .... flaming rivers of industrial waste deter the rats from swimming out to eat the floating bodies and such ... but i have done some nice hikes further southwest. Not while carrying a kayak, though.
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These two photos show what my tourer ended up like after I discovered that indexed shifters weren't generally compatible with drop handlebars.

I installed a secondary handlebar on the headset stem (with shims) in order to fit indexed trigger shifters. These are a delight to use, and always at my fingertips. When I'm on the drops I'm in top gear and so don't need to shift.

The secondary brakes mean that one can safely ride on the tops. They're far superior to suicide levers (which I used to have).
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Originally Posted by Xavier65
after I discovered that indexed shifters weren't generally compatible with drop handlebars.).
You lost me right there.
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I think he means mountain shifters not being compatible with road handlebars.

I say he's pretty resourceful for using a stem just for the stubs that are the right diameter for a mountain shifter clamp.

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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Stem shifting is definitely one of the most uncomfortable for me, just behind top-tube mounted shifters and rod-actuated derailleurs with the levers along chainstay and seattube.
...once you get used to it, rod actuated is just like indexed shifting.

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Originally Posted by L26
It went well, I bought a Bridgestone Kabuki with stem friction shifters. I don’t think the friction vs indexed difference is huge, indexed is definitely more convenient and I don’t love the stem placement on my bike but a bike is a bike and I’m glad to be riding again.
Enjoy the bike! Those were, and still are, really cool bikes, definitely a classic. Post pictures, we wanna see.
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Originally Posted by base2
I think he means mountain shifters not being compatible with road handlebars.
I say he's pretty resourceful for using a stem just for the stubs that are the right diameter for a mountain shifter clamp.
Bravo!
Thank you for appreciating that my setup is not quite as daft as it may at first appear. :-)

1) Although you can get drop handlebars in 22mm diameter, they are rare and aren't as wide as the touring ones I had. And I didn't want to remount all my 24mm dia brakes with shims.
2) I could not find any trigger shifters at 24mm diameter (to fit alongside my secondary brakes).
3) It was much easier to get shim, bar clamp, and cheap 5cm riser bar of 22mm diameter, saw it short, and fit 22mm diameter shifters.
4) It works, and works well.
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That is a lot of clutter up front. As long as it works for the rider, all good.
Another note: I now have a few hundred miles on my 1 X, 11 speed, using bar end levers in friction mode, Ultegra 6400. I missed 3 shifts in those miles, once shifting 2 gears down, and twice having to slightly engage the lever to get the gear right. None of those have been in the last 100 miles, at least. Short lever travel, and clean, quick shifts. And the entire Porteur handlebar is open for hand positions. As stated in the above post; it works, and works well. As long as I have the bike, that set up will remain.
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I've heard rumors of SRAM's next generation front derailleur, but have never seen a photo of it. How did you get your hands on one?
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...once you get used to it, rod actuated is just like indexed shifting.

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...I just reached down with my right hand, along he seat tube. And there it was.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...once you get used to it, rod actuated is just like indexed shifting.
When I said that friction shifters were going the way of rod & stirrup brakes, I had no idea there was such a thing as rod shifted derailleurs.

So, I could have said that friction shifters were going the way of rod shifters.

No doubt someone will claim that rod shifters are even superior to friction shifters, because they have no cables to fray, rust, stretch, or slip, and so never go out of alignment, and have 100% positive engagement and feedback.
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Originally Posted by Xavier65
These two photos show what my tourer ended up like after I discovered that indexed shifters weren't generally compatible with drop handlebars.

I installed a secondary handlebar on the headset stem (with shims) in order to fit indexed trigger shifters. These are a delight to use, and always at my fingertips. When I'm on the drops I'm in top gear and so don't need to shift.

The secondary brakes mean that one can safely ride on the tops. They're far superior to suicide levers (which I used to have).
This is BF gold standard. I'm glad it works for you and is a "delight to use", but this is a truly horrendous looking contraption.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
This is BF gold standard. I'm glad it works for you and is a "delight to use", but this is a truly horrendous looking contraption.
What is 'BF'? Brute Force?

Anyway, necessity is the mother of invention.

If I had been able to find 24mm dia 'clip-over' indexed trigger shifters, I would have bought them in a flash.

Maybe someone knows of them on sale somewhere today? I could then remove the contraption and make things much tidier.
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Originally Posted by Xavier65
What is 'BF'? Brute Force?

Anyway, necessity is the mother of invention.

If I had been able to find 24mm dia 'clip-over' indexed trigger shifters, I would have bought them in a flash.

Maybe someone knows of them on sale somewhere today? I could then remove the contraption and make things much tidier.
BF = Bike Forums.

Honestly I'm lost for words with this setup. I'm afraid I can't help you there.
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