Peugeot ID question
04-28-22, 10:05 AM
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Peugeot ID question
Hi all, picked up a Peugeot frameset and trying to pin down the year and model. It has the 531 main tubes decal on downtube not seat tube. The Simplex dropouts are painted not chromed. The fork has chromed crown and "socks." The decal regime is tricolor bands not arc-en-ciel. Thé pretty silver bike is just for example. My frame is grimy black. Original frame color is black. Headset takes the maroon and gold lion badge, not the decal. The serial number is 7 digits and begins with a 6, so thinking it's a 1976 model. Maybe PX-60, PRN-10, PR-10...any insight is much appreciated! Cheers!
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04-28-22, 11:25 AM
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1976 PR-10 -- very nice machine. I loved my 1980 PKN-10 (PR-10 successor), but it is one size too big (too long in the top tube and too tall in the seat tube) for me and a much better fit for my elder son.
My beloved old 1980 PKN-10, was my elder son's kiddie puller until the boys outgrew it.
My beloved old 1980 PKN-10, was my elder son's kiddie puller until the boys outgrew it.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
04-28-22, 11:36 AM
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I have a '76 PR10, a European / Dutch market version. It doesn't have the Reynolds fork transfers (nor the Reynolds fork blades for that matter):
And yes, that fork is bent.
And yes, that fork is bent.
04-28-22, 11:53 AM
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Peugeot PR-10?
Only the 3 main tubes on Peugeot PR-10 models where made of Reynolds 531 tubing. The rear stays were made of Peugeot's "TUBE SPECIAL ALLEGE" tubing. The fork blades were made of sheet steel rolled into the shape of a fork blade then brazed down the back sides.
During the 70's (maybe earlier and later too) Peugeot used these style forks on most models from the PR-10 down. They worked OK until a bike was in a front ender. I discovered this about 1974 when a customer brought a UO-8 in with a bent fork. I was pretty good at straightening non-alloy steel forks by hand or in our fork straightener. As soon as I applied some pressure in the straightener the "blades" split like a banana peel!
You can clearly see the seams in this fork. The other "tell", most PR-10s had chrome plated stamped steel fork crowns.
PR-10s came with Stronglight 49 cranks, MAFAC Racer brakes and Simplex derailleurs. Many/most originally had sewups.
The 2 photos of the white frame are red herrings that are confusing. The top picture of a black frame is the OP's,
The aluminum serial number plate on the OP's frame would suggest late 60's early 70's. Same with the Reynolds 531 sticker on the seat tube. These stickers can help pin down the year a little closer:
Pre 1974 Reynolds 531 "3 TUBES RENFORCES" - 3 tubes butted.
Post 1974 sticker.
Most PR-10 owners are very happy with the ride and handling of their bikes. They were designed to match the performance of Peugeot's top model, the PX-10 at a more affordable price (BITD).
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During the 70's (maybe earlier and later too) Peugeot used these style forks on most models from the PR-10 down. They worked OK until a bike was in a front ender. I discovered this about 1974 when a customer brought a UO-8 in with a bent fork. I was pretty good at straightening non-alloy steel forks by hand or in our fork straightener. As soon as I applied some pressure in the straightener the "blades" split like a banana peel!
You can clearly see the seams in this fork. The other "tell", most PR-10s had chrome plated stamped steel fork crowns.
PR-10s came with Stronglight 49 cranks, MAFAC Racer brakes and Simplex derailleurs. Many/most originally had sewups.
The 2 photos of the white frame are red herrings that are confusing. The top picture of a black frame is the OP's,
The aluminum serial number plate on the OP's frame would suggest late 60's early 70's. Same with the Reynolds 531 sticker on the seat tube. These stickers can help pin down the year a little closer:
Pre 1974 Reynolds 531 "3 TUBES RENFORCES" - 3 tubes butted.
Post 1974 sticker.
Most PR-10 owners are very happy with the ride and handling of their bikes. They were designed to match the performance of Peugeot's top model, the PX-10 at a more affordable price (BITD).
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04-28-22, 02:48 PM
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Only the 3 main tubes on Peugeot PR-10 models where made of Reynolds 531 tubing. The rear stays were made of Peugeot's "TUBE SPECIAL ALLEGE" tubing. The fork blades were made of sheet steel rolled into the shape of a fork blade then brazed down the back sides.
During the 70's (maybe earlier and later too) Peugeot used these style forks on most models from the PR-10 down. They worked OK until a bike was in a front ender. I discovered this about 1974 when a customer brought a UO-8 in with a bent fork. I was pretty good at straightening non-alloy steel forks by hand or in our fork straightener. As soon as I applied some pressure in the straightener the "blades" split like a banana peel!
You can clearly see the seams in this fork. The other "tell", most PR-10s had chrome plated stamped steel fork crowns.
PR-10s came with Stronglight 49 cranks, MAFAC Racer brakes and Simplex derailleurs. Many/most originally had sewups.
The 2 photos of the white frame are red herrings that are confusing. The top picture of a black frame is the OP's,
The aluminum serial number plate on the OP's frame would suggest late 60's early 70's. Same with the Reynolds 531 sticker on the seat tube. These stickers can help pin down the year a little closer:
Pre 1974 Reynolds 531 "3 TUBES RENFORCES" - 3 tubes butted.
Post 1974 sticker.
Most PR-10 owners are very happy with the ride and handling of their bikes. They were designed to match the performance of Peugeot's top model, the PX-10 at a more affordable price (BITD).
verktyg
During the 70's (maybe earlier and later too) Peugeot used these style forks on most models from the PR-10 down. They worked OK until a bike was in a front ender. I discovered this about 1974 when a customer brought a UO-8 in with a bent fork. I was pretty good at straightening non-alloy steel forks by hand or in our fork straightener. As soon as I applied some pressure in the straightener the "blades" split like a banana peel!
You can clearly see the seams in this fork. The other "tell", most PR-10s had chrome plated stamped steel fork crowns.
PR-10s came with Stronglight 49 cranks, MAFAC Racer brakes and Simplex derailleurs. Many/most originally had sewups.
The 2 photos of the white frame are red herrings that are confusing. The top picture of a black frame is the OP's,
The aluminum serial number plate on the OP's frame would suggest late 60's early 70's. Same with the Reynolds 531 sticker on the seat tube. These stickers can help pin down the year a little closer:
Pre 1974 Reynolds 531 "3 TUBES RENFORCES" - 3 tubes butted.
Post 1974 sticker.
Most PR-10 owners are very happy with the ride and handling of their bikes. They were designed to match the performance of Peugeot's top model, the PX-10 at a more affordable price (BITD).
verktyg
04-28-22, 02:55 PM
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I'm pretty sure that there is a European Peugeot model with 531 main tubes and 531 fork.
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Reynolds 531 Stickers
A lot of reproduction Reynolds 531 stickers come with fork blade stickers too. Wishin' don't make it so....
There are lots of 3 TUBE RENFORCES bikes running around with Reynolds 531 stickers on the forks - Peugeots, Gitanes, Motos.... Half of those kinds of bikes on eBay are that way...
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Caveat Emptor....
A lot of reproduction Reynolds 531 stickers come with fork blade stickers too. Wishin' don't make it so....
There are lots of 3 TUBE RENFORCES bikes running around with Reynolds 531 stickers on the forks - Peugeots, Gitanes, Motos.... Half of those kinds of bikes on eBay are that way...
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A lot of reproduction Reynolds 531 stickers come with fork blade stickers too. Wishin' don't make it so....
There are lots of 3 TUBE RENFORCES bikes running around with Reynolds 531 stickers on the forks - Peugeots, Gitanes, Motos.... Half of those kinds of bikes on eBay are that way...
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04-28-22, 08:33 PM
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Motobecane Frugality
My 1977 Moto had bon marché, pas cher (cheap) seamed seat and chain stays...
Same thing with an NOS 1982 Grand Record frame!
At least they used the correct Reynolds 531 3 TUBES RENFORCES stickers....
They probably saved a few Centimes and several croissants...
I've never seen Peugeot go down that road....
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There was an incredible variety Peugeot models, many of which weren't seen in the USA. The USA importers rarely brought in the full line of European brands. The average American consumer of the era just didn't appreciate the differences between some of the models and the importers only carried what they thought would sell in an appreciable quantity. Later on, after the American consumer became more educated about bicycles, American importers started designing the bicycles to suit the American public and market variation became even more polarized.
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My PKN-10 had only the French 3 tubes renforces sticker on the frame. There were visible seams on the backs of the fork blades, but at least no faux 531 stickers.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
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Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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The Peugeot graphics with the French tricolor bands are approximately 1975-78 - prior to then Peugeot still used the down tube decals black and gold stripes running parallel to "Peugeot." The Reynolds tubing sticker on PX and PR models moved from the seat tube to the down tube c.1974. The aluminum serial number plate riveted to the bottom bracket shell starts around 1970 or so and ends sometime c.1978-79, when Peugeot began stamping the serial numbers perpendicular to the line of the BB spindle, rather than parallel as they did before the plates. The exception to this is certain PX-10s built c.1973-74 that have no provision for the plate, but have serial numbers crudely stamped by hand on the underside of the shell. I've seen both PX-10E with Nervex Pro lugs and PX-10LE with lined white Nervex DuBois plain lugs, and very steep head and seat tube angles with these stampings.
The PR-10 can be a lovely riding bike. I enjoyed my last one.
The PR-10 can be a lovely riding bike. I enjoyed my last one.
