indyfabz

Interesting. While I have not heard the term used in a while, people that I have ridden with have called overlapping wheels half-wheeling. I've learned something new today.

genejockey 

Same reason he doesn't wear a shirt or a helmet, and rides a bike with a rear wheel so wobbly he has to open the brake, but doesn't get the wheel fixed.

datlas 

Bob Ross

And if that's the problem, you are correct.

Now, what if the problem is you're trying to teach Mr. Dooshy Half-Wheeler how not to ride off the front? Allowing him to continue riding off the front doesn't solve that problem.

Or...what if the problem is you're trying to actually ride with Mr. Dooshy Half-Wheeler because he's an otherwise nice guy whose company you enjoy? Allowing him to continue riding off the front doesn't solve that problem either.

MoAlpha

On another forum, I was subjected to an emphatic and unanimous verbal beatdown because I stated that half-wheeling wasn't the same thing as lapping wheels.

tomato coupe

Whatever. Dream up as many "problems" as you want, and solve them anyway you want, but they're not actually relevant to half wheeling.

Bob Ross

Incorrect.

indyfabz

Because if he did not he would not get as much attention and goad people into arguing on BF, which is his obvious goal.

big john

Well, I certainly hope you corrected those doosh nozzles.

MoAlpha

I tried without success, but as the 1655 Dutch national road champion and philosopher, Baruch Spinoza said, "Those who know, know."

burnthesheep

Our strategy is to impromptu change the route. If the halfwheeler or surging rider on the "all together" ride is on front at the moment...........that right suddenly becomes a left and they're suddenly riding solo.

We had a guy on the weeknight a-ride in town where we were supposed to have a line that would try to ride up the middle to get to the front. We couldn't due to the route and newer folks suddenly change the route to get him away, so we had to literally have two or three guys slow with him and tell him to "go home".

I think the issue is they don't explain half wheeling correctly on all the popular little Youtube shows and such. It's always about inexperienced riders simply riding overlapped versus the surging bit. Ever seen a 100 person peloton/pack? Are they all lined up perfectly side by side like a phalanx of soldiers in the Roman army? No. Ever seen somebody "win" the paceline ride? Nope.

This is a more intricate pet peeve, but folks pretend they want to be "in" the rotation in a competitive ride then they won't pull through. They dawdle and give it a pre-schooler level "try". Strategy to slow the pace on purpose to help yourself or team, maybe. Quick way to get yelled at, certainly.

LarrySellerz

Youve done the portola peloton thing and know that making sure you are riding shoulder to shoulder is not part of being a smooth and predictable rider. I am not a hazard. I spent 100$ on a 400$ 3 month old bike to get that rear wheel replaced, it was a big cost that I really didn't want to do, but I replaced it out of respect for my fellow riders. So no, I'm not just being obstinate and argumentative when saying half wheeling isn't dangerous, it's just that most people don't do the kind of rides where it's normal.

Nachoman

My reaction to half wheeling sometimes is that I will intentionally slow down and take it down a notch, which I admit is even more annoying than half wheeling.

mrv 

is that whole wheeling?

Bah Humbug

Oh… you’re serious.

LarrySellerz

yes I'm an experienced cyclist despite my attire/bike, looks can be decieving.

njkayaker

Your posting history says otherwise.

LarrySellerz

I'm new to racing bikes but I bike as my main form of transport and used to deliver food year round as a job, so I like to think im an above average handler. Most people like to think that about themselves though haha

tomato coupe

No one doubts you can handle a calzone like a pro.

Bah Humbug

I drive ad my main form of transport, so I like to think I’m an above-average driver. I can go hop in an F1 race, right? Or even a local Spec Miata race?

genejockey 

I read somewhere that 90% of drivers think they're better than average.

WhyFi

Above average handlers don't crash with the frequency that you've related.

Maelochs

Seems to me it is the people who respond to the "challenge" that are the problem. if one guy goes off the front and the fast guys follow to "keep the group together" and in fact tear the group apart ......

Fact is, a lot of riders simply lack the self-control to let another rider pull away. If they see someone going faster, they have to prove they can keep up. Otherwise, the instigator would simply go off the front, ride alone a while, and sheepishly slow and wait for the group.

It's all the guys (and it isn't always men, but ...) who Follow the fast guy who create the problem.

If I am with a group and want to keep the group together, I don't ride off the front too fast for some of the members and then blame some other guy.

I have seen this on "New Rider" rides, and "Recovery" rides, where some guy who can average 19 or 22 or much more, gets bored, and six other guys can't stand to have anyone think They couldn't go that fast .... and you have three new riders who don't know the route all alone 20 miles from home, and a bunch of macho boys racing back to the starting point where they will brag about how fast they went.

Maelochs

Watching a Grand Tour puts the lie to that statement.

Maelochs

Yes it does .... because he will be on a long solo ride, and he wants to have other fast riders around to appreciate how fast he is. If he makes every ride a solo ride .... you have solved the problem of Mr. Shower-head being in the group ... he has solved it for you.

If he is really a nice guy, you would be able to talk to him about his habit and he would adjust. If not, he is just a Shower, and let him go.

IMO.