Sugar doesn't hurt you - as long as you eat it in moderation
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Really? From Nutrition Facts on an unflavored Hammer Gel package:
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Water, Energy SmartŪ (Grape Juice, Rice Dextrin), Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate (as a preservative), Salt, Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Alanine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine), Potassium Chloride.
Notice the 2nd most plentiful ingredient (disregarding water). I thought grape juice contains simple sugar, in particular, fructose. Silly me..
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Water, Energy SmartŪ (Grape Juice, Rice Dextrin), Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate (as a preservative), Salt, Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Alanine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine), Potassium Chloride.
Notice the 2nd most plentiful ingredient (disregarding water). I thought grape juice contains simple sugar, in particular, fructose. Silly me..
I myself don't even use any gels or energy drinks...I just used Hammer as a reference and example to show that even supplement companies will admit that refined sugars are unhealthy and yet many supplement companies continue to advocate their unhealthy products which are loaded with sugar. I seriously believe that energy gels provide only a placebo effect.
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why hasn't anyone addressed the fact that these studies were sponsored by junk food companies?
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I myself don't even use any gels or energy drinks...I just used Hammer as a reference and example to show that even supplement companies will admit that refined sugars are unhealthy and yet many supplement companies continue to advocate their unhealthy products which are loaded with sugar. I seriously believe that energy gels provide only a placebo effect.
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For potassium to be lethal, it has to be injected intravenously. It results in cardiac arrhythmias when given IV.
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Watched a documentary last week, the makers decided they wanted to sell chocolate as good for weight loss, and just 'organized' the science to back that. No problem, they pulled it off, they didn't need any other fraud than the common methodology, it made headlines everywhere, because media won't check such a lovely story.
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Oral potassium is not lethal. I give patients huge doses of oral potassium every day (it's part of an anti seizure medication, they can't live without it in many cases).
For potassium to be lethal, it has to be injected intravenously. It results in cardiac arrhythmias when given IV.
For potassium to be lethal, it has to be injected intravenously. It results in cardiac arrhythmias when given IV.
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Potassium is in food.
Chloride is in food.
KCl is a salt. When it hits your stomach, it breaks apart into potassium + chloride. Its then exactly the same as any other ingested form of potassium and chloride. There is nothing nefarious or unhealthy about it.
The more you sugar haters post, the more I realize how many of your conclusions are reached by reading stuff like this- an ingredient label listing KCl for example- and drawing very silly conclusions on the healthfulness of a product or food based on a lack of understanding of physiology, nutrition, biochemistry etc.
Of course engineered foods are not as ideal as whole foods in everyday life but some of these engineered foods have been developed for very specific cycling applications. If you ride recreationally all the time, you can probably meet all of your needs with real foods. If you race or otherwise push the envelope, train and need to recover, there's a place for some of these engineered foods.
Common sense generally rocks. Dogma (thought like "all sugar is bad for all people") is almost always just way too simplistic.
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However on race day, I'll for sure spend the $2 on a gel because it's going to be absorbed way more quickly than my homemade rice cake.
If your argument against gels is the cost, fine. Make that argument. If your argument is that they contain sugar or potassium chloride, well sorry I just am not going to agree with you there. Those things are just pure positives in certain racing and training scenarios.
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If your argument against gels is the cost, fine. Make that argument. If your argument is that they contain sugar or potassium chloride, well sorry I just am not going to agree with you there. Those things are just pure positives in certain racing and training scenarios.
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Cyanide is there in apple seeds.
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But the main difference is that if you eat an apple you eat it with it's other contents, I've understood there's a mechanism that mitigates the effects on your body and is also the reason why fruit juice isn't as healthy for people with weight issues as eating whole fruit. If you buy any processed food, it's likely to contain added suger, whatever it is. Why put sugar in foods that traditionally didn't contain any?
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I don't know the mechanism(s) at work, but there's also the fact that you'd have to eat quite a lot of fruit to get the amounts of sugar in that you do by eating processed food.
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I myself don't even use any gels or energy drinks...I just used Hammer as a reference and example to show that even supplement companies will admit that refined sugars are unhealthy and yet many supplement companies continue to advocate their unhealthy products which are loaded with sugar. I seriously believe that energy gels provide only a placebo effect.
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Your comment about promoting sleep may be referring to a drop in blood sugar after an insulin spike. This may happen when you're sitting around at home but it doesn't occur while exercising.
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If it's processed honey, the pollen is gone, it's just fructose. Unfiltered honey, with the comb, is loaded with vitamins.
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