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Old 07-20-21, 11:03 AM
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Anyone doing the expat experience? I'm mildly thinking about retirement options overseas (from USA). May not have the nerve to do it, but wondering what others may have done.
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Old 07-20-21, 11:20 AM
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I've thought about it, but why?

Taxes aren't bad enough.
Politics are bad, but worse elsewhere... I could see this becoming a factor though.
I still enjoy friends and family... that might also change.

I know one guy who moved to Belize - he says he fits in there better than here, had travelled there a lot prior.
I know a couple guys who moved to Australia for work - they're both sort of not patriotic anyway.
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I know of someone that moved to Grenada and bought some land for growing crops and at first it was all good, but once Covid hit, people started getting very tribal and suddenly he was the "outsider". He's now back in the US.


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Old 07-20-21, 02:26 PM
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Texas is building a wall on the New Mexico border to keep out the New Mexicans
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
I've thought about it, but why?

Taxes aren't bad enough.
Politics are bad, but worse elsewhere... I could see this becoming a factor though.
I still enjoy friends and family... that might also change.

I know one guy who moved to Belize - he says he fits in there better than here, had travelled there a lot prior.
I know a couple guys who moved to Australia for work - they're both sort of not patriotic anyway.
What does being "patriotic" Have to do with where you want to live?

Isn't that part of being a free man?
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Old 07-20-21, 02:51 PM
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Texas is building a wall on the New Mexico border to keep out the New Mexicans
What about the old Mexican's?

No love?

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Old 07-20-21, 03:19 PM
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When Mexico was safe we would drive down to Laredo load up on Mexican beer pay the stupid USA duty that was just a few dollars and back home with a load of booze. Fun times..
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A few of my expat friends retired in foreign countries. Most of them have little and/or no family connections, are single looking for connections and are focused on money overall. It maybe a viable option for a few but this lifestyle has significant drawbacks that need to be considered; language, healthcare, local and national laws pertaining to your expat status, citizenship, how to own property, taxes in country and in the USA, etc. Your ability to integrate into your chosen country will directly impact your length of stay.
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Old 07-20-21, 04:24 PM
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I lived in the UK for a while and loved it.

But I was glad to return to Canada. I traveled in the USA for along time but I was glad to go back home.
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Having dual citizenship (French/U.S.) We’ll move back to the E.U. or perhaps when that time comes retire to a French territory, perhaps Saint Barthélemy, when I’m done with working in the U.S….but most likely when I’m older or if we start an E.U. division of our company.
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Originally Posted by Wileyone View Post
What does being "patriotic" Have to do with where you want to live?

Isn't that part of being a free man?
True. To be free and beholding to no one for what you take with you when you move from place to place is great. A bit selfish, but great anyway.
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I think that ditching your life here in the USA and moving to BFE-somewhere takes a special set of skills and a special type of personality. Not everyone is suited to it. Working for the US Military, I've naturally had to move around the globe a bit. Starting over in any new place - inside the USA, or a foreign country - is a culture shock. Foreign soil. Pulling up stakes and moving to a new location is always traumatic. Add the stress of language barriers and being an old white man, and it gets even worse.

We considered moving somewhere, but we have too much family here. I've explored options for cheap retirement to other countries, but we're just too entrenched and rooted here. I doubt my wife and I would be good candidates for expatriation because we'd probably kill each other after a while. I know that I'd miss my kids and grandkids terribly.

If my wife and I split, or she was otherwise removed from my life (God Forbid), I'd probably head to Vietnam for a couple years and give the family some time to adjust. Vietnam is supposed to be the cheapest+safest country to live outside of USA. There are other countries that are cheaper, but the political structure and infrastructure, hospitals, transportation, etc., is inadequate.
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Probably more of a fantasy. Some of you have pointed out some of my misgivings as well. I might end up doing more of an extended stay outside the country and then return to USA when the visa was up. Or maybe I won't be able to handle that and I'll be stuck here.
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Probably more of a fantasy. Some of you have pointed out some of my misgivings as well. I might end up doing more of an extended stay outside the country and then return to USA when the visa was up. Or maybe I won't be able to handle that and I'll be stuck here.
Where do you want to go?
Maybe try living there for a couple months.
Maybe if you AirBnB/VRBO your place here while you are there you’ll end up money ahead.
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Originally Posted by J.Higgins View Post
I think that ditching your life here in the USA and moving to BFE-somewhere takes a special set of skills and a special type of personality. Not everyone is suited to it. Working for the US Military, I've naturally had to move around the globe a bit. Starting over in any new place - inside the USA, or a foreign country - is a culture shock. Foreign soil. Pulling up stakes and moving to a new location is always traumatic. Add the stress of language barriers and being an old white man, and it gets even worse.

We considered moving somewhere, but we have too much family here. I've explored options for cheap retirement to other countries, but we're just too entrenched and rooted here. I doubt my wife and I would be good candidates for expatriation because we'd probably kill each other after a while. I know that I'd miss my kids and grandkids terribly.

If my wife and I split, or she was otherwise removed from my life (God Forbid), I'd probably head to Vietnam for a couple years and give the family some time to adjust. Vietnam is supposed to be the cheapest+safest country to live outside of USA. There are other countries that are cheaper, but the political structure and infrastructure, hospitals, transportation, etc., is inadequate.
So... Vietnam and the USA are the safest countries to live in?

Really?
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Where do you want to go?
Maybe try living there for a couple months.
Maybe if you AirBnB/VRBO your place here while you are there you’ll end up money ahead.
My research so far consist of watching pro cycling in Europe and reading a few articles online. I like Spain, Portugal and Slovenia (maybe Italy).

I might settle for just getting out of FL. Gawd, I hate FL (at least some of the time).
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Originally Posted by Wileyone View Post
What does being "patriotic" Have to do with where you want to live?

Isn't that part of being a free man?
By not patriotic I meant they had an easy time "switching teams". There's a big difference between moving to some American compound in Baja where you pay security to keep the locals out, and moving somewhere with the intent of integrating into the new culture and considering giving up your citizenship.
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True. To be free and beholding to no one for what you take with you when you move from place to place is great. A bit selfish, but great anyway.
Being a free man means you you can leave, but it's up to other free people to decide whether you can move to them or not.
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I’m staying in S Texas. The breakfast tacos are too good to move away from.
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My research so far consist of watching pro cycling in Europe and reading a few articles online. I like Spain, Portugal and Slovenia (maybe Italy).

I might settle for just getting out of FL. Gawd, I hate FL (at least some of the time).
What brought you to Florida? Why do you hate it?
How much of your life is all about cycling?
Is there anything to be gained by being contrarian? Example is maybe if some other nation is all about cycling, maybe you’d find the cycling scene/roads too crowded?

Maybe put your bike on an airplane to Slovenia and try it out for a couple months?

Florida. No income tax. Excellent homestead protection. Many different cultures in different parts of the state. No mountains. I’ve never been, that’s my outsider perspective of FL.

Maybe go to a part of the state with a different culture from you?
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And similar to the San Joaquin valley, most of FL would be marsh/swamp and sandbar without major hydro work.
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So... Vietnam and the USA are the safest countries to live in?

Really?
I probably could have written that a little clearer. I said cheapest + safest, and perhaps I could have written it like: cheapest/safest. Of the cheapest countries to live, Vietnam is also - out of that bunch - the safest. Google "cheapest countries to live" or something like that. The Philippines is also supposed to be safe/cheap for expats.
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i just want to retire...New Zealand is nice.
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