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Old 07-18-21, 01:05 PM
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Can anyone identify this Peugeot?

I picked this up off Marketplace this morning. Truthfully, I have no idea how to identify Peugeot models. It's going to need some work, but I think the bones are good. It has Simplex derailleurs and shifters, Rigida alloy wheels, Mafac brake calipers and levers. If there are other questions, I'll answer them to the best of my ability and/or supply photos. TIA







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That's a late 70s UO 10. Yes the bones are very good. The brakes, crank, and wheels are all good. The simplex rear derailleur and shifters are also pretty good. Simplex front derailleurs with plastic are a mixed bag. Hopefully yours is still functional. The rigida 16/24 rims are very good. It wouldn't surprise me if that freewheel is english threaded. The UO 10 is a great bike and can be used as a touring bike, lock up bike, gravel bike, all around bike, etc.

The crank will require a stronglight puller for you to overhaul the bottom bracket. Also be careful as to the derailleur cables you use as simplex shifters are a little different; simplex/huret cable heads are a bit smaller. The headset adjustment may be a little different than you are used to and the ball bearings on the bottom will be loose; there should be a ball bearing race on the top.
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looks to be a model U010 from ~1976-1977

the Stronglight model TS chainset is a helpful clue

here is the manufacturer catalogue page of 1977 together with the specification table -


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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
That's a late 70s UO 10. Yes the bones are very good. The brakes, crank, and wheels are all good. The simplex rear derailleur and shifters are also pretty good. Simplex front derailleurs with plastic are a mixed bag. Hopefully yours is still functional. The rigida 16/24 rims are very good. It wouldn't surprise me if that freewheel is english threaded. The UO 10 is a great bike and can be used as a touring bike, lock up bike, gravel bike, all around bike, etc.

The crank will require a stronglight puller for you to overhaul the bottom bracket. Also be careful as to the derailleur cables you use as simplex shifters are a little different; simplex/huret cable heads are a bit smaller. The headset adjustment may be a little different than you are used to and the ball bearings on the bottom will be loose; there should be a ball bearing race on the top.
Thanks for all the info. Can you order the derailleur cables specifically for Simplex/Huret?
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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looks to be a model U010 from ~1976-1977

the Stronglight model TS chainset is a helpful clue

here is the manufacturer catalogue page of 1977 together with the specification table -


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Thanks so much for posting that catalog page. It looks like most, if not all of the components (except maybe the tires) are OEM.
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Originally Posted by myz34 View Post
Thanks for all the info. Can you order the derailleur cables specifically for Simplex/Huret?
I use these , https://www.modernbike.com/jagwire-b...ess-compatible

The difference is small.

Also this is the crank puller you'll need

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12366764365...IAAOSwh1NbPXww

Panaracer Pasela 27 x 1 and 1/4 tires tend to be the go to replacement tires for 27 inch wheels. If you plan on using this as a commuter/lock up bike (and this bike will make a terrific commuter), schwalbe marathon tires are a good choice.

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post

The crank will require a stronglight puller for you to overhaul the bottom bracket.
Careful - he needs a 23mm puller, which fits Stronglight and TA, not the special early Stronglight-only 23.35 puller. The common park CCP1 has both 22 and 23mm.
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Careful - he needs a 23mm puller, which fits Stronglight and TA, not the special early Stronglight-only 23.35 puller. The common park CCP1 has both 22 and 23mm.
That's news to me. I thought that the older stronglight cranks all required a stronglight puller which is different than a TA. They're close enough that you can use them interchangeably even though it's a bad idea to do so.

I know the last time I worked on a bike with the crank on the OP's bike I used the early Stronglight puller. That doesn't mean it was the right puller. But I thought it was,
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
That's news to me. I thought that the older stronglight cranks all required a stronglight puller which is different than a TA. They're close enough that you can use them interchangeably even though it's a bad idea to do so.

I know the last time I worked on a bike with the crank on the OP's bike I used the early Stronglight puller. That doesn't mean it was the right puller. But I thought it was,
Using a 23mm on a 23.35mm crank will usually only pull the threads off.

But it's a good thing you made me check the version of that crank that's on a bike in the shed; it takes a 22mm. If you got a 23.35 in there then either they made both sizes, or you has *big* arms.
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Originally Posted by oneclick View Post
Using a 23mm on a 23.35mm crank will usually only pull the threads off.

But it's a good thing you made me check the version of that crank that's on a bike in the shed; it takes a 22mm. If you got a 23.35 in there then either they made both sizes, or you has *big* arms.
I know it's not a good idea (see post 8 above). I would not recommend it. But I assumed, perhaps incorrectly from what you said, that this stronglight crank required the stronglight puller and it worked without pulling the threads off.

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Old 07-18-21, 03:25 PM
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I'm pretty sure 1980s Simplex shift levers take Campy cables.

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Old 07-18-21, 05:15 PM
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puller thead -

IIRC Verot launched the TS model (Touring Sport) around 1974

1977 was their big revision of the chainset lineup where model 93 was eliminated, model 99 was revised and models 104 and 105 were created

it is quite possible that the revisions of 1977 included a change in the removal threads for the model TS

if this is the case one would need to know whether a particular set is "early" or "late"


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As late as catalogue #26 (1982), Stronglight shows only the #82 and #87 crankarm extractors, both of which are labelled as 23.35mm (see attached). The #87 professional extractor dates back to 1976 and the #82 extractor pre-dates that, so I don't know where a 23mm Stronglight extractor comes into play, unless it's being confused with the move to 22mm extractors, which first appear in catalogue #27, issued in August 1982 for the 1983 model year. My understanding has always been that the 23mm extractor was unique to TA.

I agree that the subject bicycle is a late 1970s UO10. It's right from around the time that Peugeot changed it's serial number format, so we might be able to determine the exact manufacture date from the serial number.

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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
As late as catalogue #26 (1982), Stronglight shows only the #82 and #87 crankarm extractors, both of which are labelled as 23.35mm (see attached). The #87 professional extractor dates back to 1976 and the #82 extractor pre-dates that, so I don't know where a 23mm Stronglight extractor comes into play, unless it's being confused with the move to 22mm extractors, which first appear in catalogue #27, issued in August 1982 for the 1983 model year. My understanding has always been that the 23mm extractor was unique to TA.

snip . . .

I agree that the subject bicycle is a late 1970s UO10. It's right from around the time that Peugeot changed it's serial number format, so we might be able to determine the exact manufacture date from the serial number.
Thanks for this post. That was my understanding as well.
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thanks very much for this information!


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my recollection is that models 104, 105 and 105bis received the 22mm removal threads directly at their 1977 launch

can recall purchasing two 104 sets new in 1978 from a local distributor and found them to be the 22mm

do others recall something different?


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In terms of using a TA tool for a crank that requires a stronglight puller, this thread from Sheldon Brown is useful. I know I used the TA tool for a stronglight crank before I broke down and purchased the stronglight tool.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/cotterless.html

"To service a T.A. crankset, you need a T.A. puller. For Stronglight, you should really use a Stronglight puller, but the T.A. is usable with care (although it fits a bit more loosely than it should. If the crank starts to get hard to pull off, quit before you strip the threads). "
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Careful - he needs a 23mm puller, which fits Stronglight and TA, not the special early Stronglight-only 23.35 puller. The common park CCP1 has both 22 and 23mm.
Just to be clear because I'm confused by your posts on this.

(1) Are you claiming that there exists a version of this stronglight crank (the 3 arm TS stronglight crank) that requires a TA puller (23 mm)? This is what you said in post 7, right?

This is what you said:
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Careful - he needs a 23mm puller, which fits Stronglight and TA, not the special early Stronglight-only 23.35 puller. The common park CCP1 has both 22 and 23mm.

I know I've used a stronglight puller (23.35) for this crank. A tool like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/J-A-Stein-S...-/123667643658

You critiqued my post for suggesting to the OP that a stronglight puller is what you need for this crank even though that is what I used and what is consistent with the tech info provided above (post 13 above).

(2) Are you saying that you own a version of this crank that requires a 22 mm puller?

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one thing have long wondered about regarding the TS model chainset is if there might be "early" and "late" versions

do not wish to assert that there are; just wondering about the experience of others...

have only ever had one example come through me workshop
it was a takeoff from a derelict partial cycle purchased at a dump or flea market for parts about forty year ago
IIRC pulled it with the standard Verot puller of 23.35mm

since that time have seen examples on cycles posted here at the forum which have a clearly nicer finish than mine
this makes me wonder if there may have been some minor changes at one point

my example here has a rough appearance as if it went straight from the forging die to the anodising process without any intervening dressing/polish

in the thread we had last year begun by member non-fixie regarding the Altra/Meral cycle was struck by how much better is the finish on its set -



yes, appreciate this is the bis version...

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Regarding the Simplex gear cables, at a certain point they switched over to the same sized head as everyone else in the world (except Huret :/ ) used. If your shifters are the old type, you can file modern cable heads thinner to fit. It's a pain, but totally do-able ... and it wouldn't be a *real* French bike without some bizarre compatibility issues.

Speaking of which, if your front derailleur works and isn't cracked, take care of it. Older French bikes use a narrower gauge tube-set and non-french derailleurs won't fit - without shims.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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thanks very much for this information!


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my recollection is that models 104, 105 and 105bis received the 22mm removal threads directly at their 1977 launch

can recall purchasing two 104 sets new in 1978 from a local distributor and found them to be the 22mm

do others recall something different?


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I went back and double checked the literature. The first catalogue to mention 22mm extractors is #26, which is reportedly for the 1982 model year. The cranksets in this catalogue appear to be a mix of 22mm and 23.35mm extractors. The 106, 104 and 99NM specifically mention the 22mm extractor while the 105, TS and 49 variants do not mention the extractor style. I take this to mean that these three older models still used the old 23.35mm extractor. I believe the NM designation on the 99 indicates nouvelle modele or something similar, to designate the transition from a 23.35mm to 22 mm extractor.

By catalogue #27 (for the 1983 model year), all the cranksets specify 22mm extractors. The 105, TS and 49 variants are not included and appear to have been discontinued.

This falls mostly in line with the statement in Sutherland's which specifies the 23.35 extractor for pre-1982 Stronglight crankset and 22mm extractor for 1982 and newer. However, the factory literature doesn seem to suggest that there was at least one transition year.

I could find no case of a 105/105BIS that specified 22mm extractors. I found it in four catalogues that are reportedly for 1976, 1978, 1980 and 1982.

While the 104 specified 22mm extractors, I could find no evidence of it existing in 1978. The earliest reference is catalog #27, which is reportedly 1982. However, this is arguable, as the reportedly 1980 Peugeot catalog contains models with 104 cranksets. So, maybe the catalogues have not been accurately dated? Or did Peugeot get exclusive use for a period, prior to general commercial availability? Unfortunately, the Peugeot catalogue has no dating (model year, copyright date or publishing date) on it. Similarly, prior to catalog #28, none of the Stronglight catalogues are marked with dates.

Regardless, based on the factory literature, there only appears to have been two different extractor threadings, 23.35mm and 22mm. The 23.35mm extractor was used on all the non-1xx series cranksets and the 105 variants. The 22mm extractor was used on all the 1xx series cranklsets, with the exception of the 105 variants. The only crankset to be offered for both extractor threadings were different versions of the 99.
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As late as catalogue #26 (1982), Stronglight shows only the #82 and #87 crankarm extractors, both of which are labelled as 23.35mm (see attached). The #87 professional extractor dates back to 1976 and the #82 extractor pre-dates that, so I don't know where a 23mm Stronglight extractor comes into play, unless it's being confused with the move to 22mm extractors, which first appear in catalogue #27, issued in August 1982 for the 1983 model year. My understanding has always been that the 23mm extractor was unique to TA.

I agree that the subject bicycle is a late 1970s UO10. It's right from around the time that Peugeot changed it's serial number format, so we might be able to determine the exact manufacture date from the serial number.

The serial number, found on the left rear dropout is: Y706 49563
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The serial number, found on the left rear dropout is: Y706 49563
It's a 1977 model manufactured during June 1977 at Peugeot's Romilly-sur-Seine facility.
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