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Old 07-23-21, 11:30 AM
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Which Campy RD is this?

I'm thinking this is just a Super Record fitted with long cages, but I don't know. Who knows?

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Old 07-23-21, 11:54 AM
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Looks that way, and I can't identify the cage. It's the retainer at the 11 o'clock position on the guide pulley that looks non-campy to me, but I am by no means an expert. It reminds me of Shimano.

EDIT: Just after I typed the above, I found this in an image search for "campy rally rear derailleur," identified as a 3rd gen Rally, which may explain the cage:


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it was a trend for quite a number of years to create touring rear gear mechs by fitting a long cage to a racing derailleur

there are a number of iterations

the earliest i know of are the ones routinely done by Spence Wolfe of the Cupertino Bike Shop in California

he would fit/adapt a Juy 303 long arm to a Campag Gran Sport or Record rear mech - this was prior to the launch of the Campag NR rear mech


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You can purchase long cages for Nuovo Record and presumably SR derailleurs on E-Bay.
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once tried to create a "Zeus touring derailleur" by mounting Rally plates on a Criterium 69 mech - did not work


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Originally Posted by johnnyace View Post
I'm thinking this is just a Super Record fitted with a long cage.
It is. And the chain is substantially too long for the chosen gear. Bizarre someone would use that cage with that narrow cluster. I mean, what's the point of doing that? Also looks a little silly with the axle so far up in the drops.
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Old 07-23-21, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
It is. And the chain is substantially too long for the chosen gear. Bizarre someone would use that cage with that narrow cluster. I mean, what's the point of doing that? Also looks a little silly with the axle so far up in the drops.
Yeah, was thinking exactly the same things. Not a corncob exactly, but certainly not requiring a long cage.
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Old 07-23-21, 04:09 PM
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Maybe there's a huge tooth difference on the chainrings?
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Or the cluster, wheel that prompted it has moved on?
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Originally Posted by kroozer View Post
Maybe there's a huge tooth difference on the chainrings?
Don't spoil the fun.
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Originally Posted by kroozer View Post
Maybe there's a huge tooth difference on the chainrings?
So why use that narrow rear cluster? SR rear mech took all their cash and now can't afford anything else? If he can afford some needle nose pliers, maybe he can straighten the dropout screw.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
It is. And the chain is substantially too long for the chosen gear. Bizarre someone would use that cage with that narrow cluster. I mean, what's the point of doing that? Also looks a little silly with the axle so far up in the drops.
He has two sets of wheels, one of which has a wide range freewheel?
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
So why use that narrow rear cluster? SR rear mech took all their cash and now can't afford anything else?
High-dollar flipper that bought a cobbled high-end frame - or replaced the RD with the cheapest thing on eBay - and doesn't know any better?

The Nuovo Grand Sport Q/R end seems to suggest a dog's dinner of a parts build, plus the anodized cable end looks like it was chosen because the LBS had it. I don't have a problem with it, but when someone drags out the seamless white background, top dollar is often on their mind - and this build isn't reflective of that.

Wheel is almost falling out of the frame too. That's something you don't miss if you're passionate about this stuff, but you would if you're a flipper who doesn't really care.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
The Nuovo Grand Sport Q/R end seems to suggest a dog's dinner of a parts build, plus the anodized cable end looks like it was chosen because the LBS had it. I don't have a problem with it, but when someone drags out the seamless white background, top dollar is often on their mind - and this build isn't reflective of that.
Well I bought the bike that the Super Record was attached to (Motobecane Grand Record). Not terribly expensive. Definitely a dog's dinner of parts, but I like it. TA triple crankset, Nitto stem, Dajia Cycleworks bars, Brooks saddle, Mavic GP4 wheels shod with Conti Giro tubulars, and it came with six extra TA chainrings. Apparently, someone had some frame modifications done at one point (internally routed rear brake cable, water bottle braze-ons, rear rack braze-ons) and then had it repainted by Joe Bell. I'll get around to a freewheel worthy of the long cage Super Record, eventually. The guy I bought this from didn't really know much about the bike history. He owned it for 6-7 years, didn't ride it, used it for some sort of shop display (not a bike shop). He did straighten out the dropout screw some.

Did a rough initial assembly for pics, which are here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/193554...57719666367535

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Internally routed rear brake cable...
Pics? Look ok?
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Pics? Look ok?
Same flickr link as above:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/193554...57719666367535
Yeah, looks good. Whoever did the frame mods did a pro job.
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Yeah, looks good. Whoever did the frame mods did a pro job.
Wow, that's sorta crazy. Even a new brake bridge. Probably lowered it, too.
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Well I bought the bike that the Super Record was attached to (Motobecane Grand Record). Not terribly expensive.
An odd mix of bits, indeed, but it looks to be a smartly thought-out build, now that I see the whole thing.

Those frame modifications really suit the Grand Record nicely, especially the internal cable routing on the top tube. It looks like something that might have happened to the GR had Moto remained faithful to the 1970's aesthetic on the 1980's models, but worked in the period improvements. Even the seattube panel delete and lug paint a-la Peugeot looks "right."

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The near parallel transit of the chain indicates it is in a small small ring so the cage take up shown is possible but not a good gear choice.
this combo is often duplicated in a less severe deflection gear combo.
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An odd mix of bits, indeed, but it looks to be a smartly thought-out build, now that I see the whole thing.

Those frame modifications really suit the Grand Record nicely, especially the internal cable routing on the top tube. It looks like something that might have happened to the GR had Moto remained faithful to the 1970's aesthetic on the 1980's models, but worked in the period improvements. Even the seattube panel delete and lug paint a-la Peugeot looks "right."
I am very pleasantly surprised with this bike. The work that was done to it points to a previous owner that really loved it and had a clear idea of what to do to make it better for their needs. It reminds me of the gold Gitane TdF that I used to own, that had a similar eclectic mix of parts that worked well together.

Now that I have three French bikes from around the same era (1970s), from the three main producers (Gitane TdF, Motobecane GR, Peugeot PX10), all made with Reynolds 531, it will be interesting to compare their ride characteristics. It also occurred to me that they represent the colors of the French flag: blue (Gitane), white (Peugeot), red (Motobecane). That's going to deserve a group shot!
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I think it would be nice to replace the two black seat tube bands. Just looks a little naked. nttawwt.
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I think it would be nice to replace the two black seat tube bands. Just looks a little naked. nttawwt.
I'm good with it the way it is. Besides, all the new decals, including the 531 and Campy, are under the clear-coat, which is awesome. Thank you, Joe Bell!
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