heymatthew

Didn't mean to upset you hombre.

Scrodzilla

You didn't upset me but have you honestly never seen a lugged frame before?

heymatthew

I'm sure I have. It doesn't mean I like these though. I think it's the finishing on these that looks cheap. Just my opinion man.

TejanoTrackie 

Honestly man, but haven't you ever seen welded lugs before ?

heymatthew

Is your red Raleigh lugged? If so, that's how lugged frames should look. That things a beaut!!!

Cute Boy Horse

You don't know what a lugged frame should look like. A few hours ago you mistook lugs for "welded on crap" that looks "weird".

Scrod is probably looking over his bike as we speak, searching for whatever must have gone wrong with it that you find it appealing. That you have to ask if a bike you've actually seen is lugged... not a glowing testimony to your expertise.

heymatthew

Dude... Really? No need to insult me. I'm learning stuff everyday. I never claimed to be an expert at anything. I do think that the stuff on that road frame looks weird. It looks cheap, in my opinion. Sorry that it doesn't match yours. I wasn't aware that I wasn't able to come into a thread and voice my opinion about a bike frame. They're ugly. And, in my opinion, there are much better looking frames out there for the money. Leader, Pake, Wabi, Kilo, etc. I wouldn't care if these frames were welded, lugged or forged in the fires of Mordor by Sauron himself. I THINK THEY'RE UGLY. I never said they were poorly made. I never said they were any better or worse than any other frame. I said that I personally felt that they didn't look good and that the finishing could use some work. I think with a little better paint and some tighter attention to detail, they'd clean up nicely.

As for Scrod's bike, I don't know if it's lugged or welded or what, but being that it's a vintage frame, I was assuming it was lugged (not welded). I don't know for sure, but if it is lugged, then that's what I'd want a lugged frame to look like. It's clean, tight and looks like it was finished extremely well.

I know what I like and those Murphy frames aren't it. That's all I was saying. The OP asked people's opinions. I gave mine.

Scrodzilla

The problem with what you are saying is that they look exactly like the lugs on my Raleigh (and 95% of all other lugged frames in existence) except that mine are chrome.

The Murphy track frame actually has very nice, clean looking lugs:



Also, I'm not trying to start a fight here but the only one talking about Murphy's road frame is you.

heymatthew

Maybe I just like them chrome, then. I really like that Raleigh a lot. Something about the finish on the Murphy frames just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's the photography, but they just feel unfinished or something. Does that make sense? I'm new at all this and I was just offering an opinion. I'm sure the Murphy frames are well made and they probably ride great, I would just want it to have a little different finish, that's all.

Also, you're right. I was talking about the road frame. Probably shouldn't have brought that up. My bad dude.

heymatthew

Also, for what it's worth, I appreciate you guys informing me of the difference between welds and lugs. I learn something new everyday.

Scrodzilla

See, noobs? This is how it's done!

IAmSam

While it is nice that someone who did not know the difference between decent lugs and ugly welds admits to their ignorance...shouldn't they also be less free with their criticism & advice?

Scrodzilla

Perhaps, but the fact that he didn't get all butthurt and start insulting everyone is rather nice.

heymatthew

Why shouldn't I be allowed to express my dislike for the way something looks? If I had said, "There's no way that frame is as strong as [FRAME X] because of the welds" then I would be criticizing something based on manufacturing strength, etc. without really understanding the difference between lugged and welded (which I do now as I'm researching it to learn more about it).

All I said was that I thought the frames weren't finished well and that I felt the add-ons on the road frame (yes, I'm the only one talking about this one) looked cheap. It's my opinion, am I not entitled to it? I don't know squat about cars, but I can tell you that I am not a fan of Porche. I just don't like the way they look. mechanically, I'm sure they're fine, but I don't like the way they look.

Just with these Murphy frames. I'm sure they're fine bikes, but I think there are prettier frames out there that are made just as well. I never said, "Don't buy this frame," or "This frame is garbage."

SquidPuppet

I don't know anything about the quality of the frames or the comapny, but, I think they look great.

The lugs are elegant but understated. I'm not a fan of the super ornate lugs. The TIG joins on the bottom bracket and brake bridges looks very tidy to me. The dropouts are beefy and handsome, especially on the Marty. The angled fork crown on the Seamus is very pretty. And the dropout/chain stay/seat stay unions look completely seamless and clean. As for the finish, I'm a staunch proponent of monochromatic powder coat, so that is a big win for my tastes. Kinda dig that mettalic sunflower too.

heymatthew

I have no reason to insult anyone man. I'm learning. The internet is a wonderful place. I don't have access to bike shops or any bike culture at all in my town so I have to read online to learn.

I could walk you through an AR-15 Build step-by-step. I would welcome the opportunity to help someone learn more about something I'm knowledgeable about so I appreciate that others are willing to help me learn as well. Bikes aren't my strong suit, but I enjoy them and I'm learning.

SquidPuppet

You are a defective male human being.

Oh, and spell it correctly nex time. You don't want to pl$$ us Krauts off more than you already have.

heymatthew

Dammit. Porsche.

heymatthew

Y'all are going to think I'm nuts but the more you talk about these stupid frames and the more you point out the different aspects, the more I like them. LOL! They're growing on me. I still don't care for the finishes on them, but I might change my mind if I could see one in a really nice candy red... Look what you guys are doing to me! Educating me AND changing my views.

Before it's all said and done, I'll be a well-rounded human being.

But I still won't like Porsche.

SquidPuppet

You can't even spell damnit correctly. Maybe you should hang out on an English language forum. He he he.

Cute Boy Horse

Because you don't have the knowledge to form an educated and therefore worthwhile opinion. You're about on par with a five year old who calls everything in the art museum "boring and gay".

heymatthew

Technically, according to Webster dictionary it's "dammit" as a curse word or "damn it" when referring to an "it". Damnit is acceptable, but is considered a nonstandard contraction of "damn it."

heymatthew

Nevermind....

SquidPuppet

Darn it.

TejanoTrackie 

Ay, caramba !