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Some are more, some are less. That was $800 OEM, the group sold for $350. What you see was about $600 more, so $1050. I balance that out with bikes I know I can’t sell for $250. Several of them.
in 2010 or so, I started with $500 on eBay. I bought a bike for $135 and sold it for $300. Over the years, I’ve bought, built, stripped, given away, ruined scores of bikes. Parts built up, went down, bikes and frames came and went. The take-offs and networking and trades all add up.
Currently, I have 15 riders or wall art, and I’m down $8,000. Thus, the $8000/15. Great hobby.
in 2010 or so, I started with $500 on eBay. I bought a bike for $135 and sold it for $300. Over the years, I’ve bought, built, stripped, given away, ruined scores of bikes. Parts built up, went down, bikes and frames came and went. The take-offs and networking and trades all add up.
Currently, I have 15 riders or wall art, and I’m down $8,000. Thus, the $8000/15. Great hobby.
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Some are more, some are less. That was $800 OEM, the group sold for $350. What you see was about $600 more, so $1050. I balance that out with bikes I know I can’t sell for $250. Several of them.
in 2010 or so, I started with $500 on eBay. I bought a bike for $135 and sold it for $300. Over the years, I’ve bought, built, stripped, given away, ruined scores of bikes. Parts built up, went down, bikes and frames came and went. The take-offs and networking and trades all add up.
Currently, I have 15 riders or wall art, and I’m down $8,000. Thus, the $8000/15. Great hobby.
in 2010 or so, I started with $500 on eBay. I bought a bike for $135 and sold it for $300. Over the years, I’ve bought, built, stripped, given away, ruined scores of bikes. Parts built up, went down, bikes and frames came and went. The take-offs and networking and trades all add up.
Currently, I have 15 riders or wall art, and I’m down $8,000. Thus, the $8000/15. Great hobby.
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I wasn't sold on Di2 when I built my bike last winter and passed on it since it literally doubled the cost of the groupset, it was an easy decision. Admittedly I haven't looked further into spec sheets to see how it saves weight, makes the drivetrain more efficient, or adds reliability. It must do one of those, or all 3, because the stuff exists and at a dear price. I think ignorance might be bliss for a little while longer lol.
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I haven't used Di2 personally but I've been keeping a keen eye watching it in our group rides and have to agree, it doesn't seem any worse or better than mechanical... at least the higher end mechanical groupsets.
I wasn't sold on Di2 when I built my bike last winter and passed on it since it literally doubled the cost of the groupset, it was an easy decision. Admittedly I haven't looked further into spec sheets to see how it saves weight, makes the drivetrain more efficient, or adds reliability. It must do one of those, or all 3, because the stuff exists and at a dear price. I think ignorance might be bliss for a little while longer lol.
I wasn't sold on Di2 when I built my bike last winter and passed on it since it literally doubled the cost of the groupset, it was an easy decision. Admittedly I haven't looked further into spec sheets to see how it saves weight, makes the drivetrain more efficient, or adds reliability. It must do one of those, or all 3, because the stuff exists and at a dear price. I think ignorance might be bliss for a little while longer lol.
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Used to come with a weight penalty.
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I wrench maybe 1 hour a week; sometimes none, sometimes 3-4 hours building a bike.
I don’t golf, watch TV, or fish, and rarely pursue a sale.
That’s what is cool about cycling; people help each other find bikes, fixes, parts.
I like to ride, too. I ride with plenty of people who just buy a bike and ride it.
I’m glad they don’t have to know how to build or fix bikes, as that would be an entry barrier to the sport. The sport needs them, the shops need them, and the industry needs them.
I also have moved dozens of bikes to people who can’t pay $8,000 for a 105 Di2.
During the pandemic, shops would see if I “happened to have a part.”
Just traded a SuperSix Di2 Ultegra (10) for an older Kestrel and a set of wheels, probably a $1500 deal. For that, he got a 15.5 lb bike, Di2, with Zipp 404 tubulars. I got a cool older CF icon and some DA 9000 hoops. I was not enamored of Di2. It’s great but I know how to shift, so I can wait. Others need it worse.
While there is a large group of riders who get a $6000+ bike every few years, there are groups that can’t afford that, and wouldn’t ride if that was the price of entry. In that I find a rewarding hobby and a smile for those who can earn themselves above all that.
We’re all the same once we start rolling on the most efficient way to move man across the planet. We get the bikes somehow and show up. Across the spectrum, it’s pretty congenial. Had a great conversation today with two young guys on fine BMC’s about traveling with bikes and people. They are building their “war wagon,” an older Yukon that they have been altering for a couple of years to “go biking” with. Another guy came over and showed us his 4-bike,4-person, van. None of us worried about the old Colnago, the touring Trek, or the go-fast tri bikes. We got our 60 miles in, had our chat, and a storm hit.
Another good day on bikes.
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This is all subjective. What I will say is that after riding on 11-speed Ultegra and GRX for 6 years, it never misses a shift, and is as fast or slow to move up and down the cassette as I set it to be. 12-speed is reportedly even smoother…maybe I’ll rebuild my SL7 with it, or just wait for the SL8...
Once properly adjusted, using the very straightforward instructions for doing this from Shimano, which have gotten simpler with each generation, it requires no further adjustment or maintenance, other than cleaning the drivetrain. Electric cables don’t stretch or freeze up in their housings.
To varying degrees, it meets your criteria. But, at the end of the day, it is not a “must have”. Cables and mechanical derailleurs will work just fine, and unless you’re lining up in Denmark this morning for Stage 3, those can serve your needs perfectly fine. For hobbyists, Di2 is a luxury…one which I will never forgo for the rest of my riding life, but it isn’t necessary.
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I don't meant to imply that you don't ride, it but enough, or whatever. A lot of people enjoy wrenching on bikes, and often can't imagine a world where everyone else doesn't too. But a lot of people just want to have a bike and ride it when it isn't raining.
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I don't meant to imply that you don't ride, it but enough, or whatever. A lot of people enjoy wrenching on bikes, and often can't imagine a world where everyone else doesn't too. But a lot of people just want to have a bike and ride it when it isn't raining.
Then I ride past a yard sale, and I see a bike…..
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Why is a thread about 105 Di2 obsessing over $8k bikes? Several manufacturers have announced bikes with 105 Di2 starting at less than $3k.
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Because that was the example given? It also is an updated model with new, unproven technology. Post the 3k examples. That should make the 8k one get trashed even more.
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I’d venture that $5-6K is where most of the 105 Di2 equipped model are sitting. Like I said, this is based on a quick scan. It’s a SWAG.
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I just built up my dream bike with R7000, rim brake. I think it’s neat that 105 is now electric, but I’ll stick with mechanical for as long as possible because like someone else mentioned, I don’t want to have to charge another thing - to say nothing of the cost. I also don’t have a head unit to link with Di2 for all the fancy readouts. Also, I still like getting my hands dirty and working on bike parts. Let me cable!
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Either "gruppo" is a loanword (in which case it's fine to use with any manufacturer) or we're speaking English and it's misplaced anyway. It's not like you throw in Japanese terms for Shimano.
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This forum seems to have a ton of holdouts for electronic shifting. I agree it's not revolutionary and requires a big chunk of change to upgrade to especially with 105 Di2 being $1900, however I think mechanical is going the way of rim brakes, in that fewer and fewer bikes will come equipped with mechanical 11 speed and electronic shipping will become the new norm. The harm in this is that 105 which once was the people's groupset now is $1900 and now entry level race bikes MSRP are without a doubt about to skyrocket. Alternatively I have been much more impressed by SRAM Rival AXS eTap, since for a 2X with a power meter tops out at $1650, still a big chunk of change but a much better value compared to Shimano. Honestly, unless you have some preference or already have some parts that are groupset depedent, just going Rival AXS but choosing a Force AXS crank, Red cassette, Centerline Rotors, and maybe Force shifters will probably put on at the same price of 105 Di2 but lighter and better performing
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Recently I've had a couple rides on my GFs Canyon Ultimate w/DI 2. For frame of reference I ride 105, Dura Ace, Ultegra and SRAM Red all mechanical on my bikes. The DI 2 was set up semi-synchro. I was surprised to be unimpressed. In the beginning it seemed "nice" but with time and experience I can't find a reason to abandon mechanical. And, I am changing it to "mechanical" mode 'cause it drives my GF nuts.
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Recently I've had a couple rides on my GFs Canyon Ultimate w/DI 2. For frame of reference I ride 105, Dura Ace, Ultegra and SRAM Red all mechanical on my bikes. The DI 2 was set up semi-synchro. I was surprised to be unimpressed. In the beginning it seemed "nice" but with time and experience I can't find a reason to abandon mechanical. And, I am changing it to "mechanical" mode 'cause it drives my GF nuts.
Now, with a 1x drivetrain, a single cable also tends to work really, really well. Most of the MTB world has been using that setup for 10 years without any issue. And I would say, the demands put on a MTB system are greater. Not sure why you would need to pay such a premium for a 1X electronic system.
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I haven't used Di2 personally but I've been keeping a keen eye watching it in our group rides and have to agree, it doesn't seem any worse or better than mechanical... at least the higher end mechanical groupsets.
I wasn't sold on Di2 when I built my bike last winter and passed on it since it literally doubled the cost of the groupset, it was an easy decision. Admittedly I haven't looked further into spec sheets to see how it saves weight, makes the drivetrain more efficient, or adds reliability. It must do one of those, or all 3, because the stuff exists and at a dear price. I think ignorance might be bliss for a little while longer lol.
I wasn't sold on Di2 when I built my bike last winter and passed on it since it literally doubled the cost of the groupset, it was an easy decision. Admittedly I haven't looked further into spec sheets to see how it saves weight, makes the drivetrain more efficient, or adds reliability. It must do one of those, or all 3, because the stuff exists and at a dear price. I think ignorance might be bliss for a little while longer lol.
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I’m with all the folks who say they don’t want yet another thing that needs batteries and charging.
One of my riding buddies has Ultegra Di2. It sounds like he’s driving an early 60’s British car with no synchromesh. Whether you use a cable or wireless you still gotta know how to shift.
Also there’s the wedge argument that we’re diverging from a human powered machine… just sayin’
One of my riding buddies has Ultegra Di2. It sounds like he’s driving an early 60’s British car with no synchromesh. Whether you use a cable or wireless you still gotta know how to shift.
Also there’s the wedge argument that we’re diverging from a human powered machine… just sayin’