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Old 03-30-20, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rccardr
Have never encountered long reach tricolor brakes.

Pics?
It definitely happened.

Tri-Color

Short reach for comparison

Stamped 57 vs. short, stamped 49.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
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I'm making the best of it cleaning the shop and divesting all of the extra equipment from closing down my golf shop at the university. The Premis is gone, and the Raleigh now as well. Next is finding the top of my workbench. Smiles, MH
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I hear with all the "stash" you have finding the top of your workbench may be problematic.
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ISO: This may be a longshot. I have some vintage Robergel "15g" Trois Etoiles spokes in 302-307mm lengths and I need them to be 296-297mm length. Does anyone out there have the proper French spoke threader, and if you do, would you be willing to cut down the spokes I have and thread them?

I think the thread needs to stay the same, because I can't get away with cutting off the current threads (about 10mm in length) and still have enough length for the 3x pattern I am planning. Otherwise I would cut off these threads and thread them with modern 15g threads.
Maybe this isn't even posisble - never used a spoke threader, but I imagine it would be like using a die.

I've got some campy stuff I'd let go of, and of course greenbacks if nothing I have is of interest.
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1
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I hear with all the "stash" you have finding the top of your workbench may be problematic.
Best, Ben
Ben,
Stash?? What stash?

you mean this stash?





The work bench. Looks like an unpacked Box O' Crap on the front half,.






more of the un-findable work bench


I spent three hours yesterday, trying to refurbish two NR rear derailleurs. Finally got one apart and found more rust and debris in it than any before. Second one was not as bad but the cages were destroyed. Looks like I'm gonna have a few small parts, from these two. Fortunately they were inexpensive Flea Bay finds, but they will become parts to save a few others. Smiles, MH
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Now that's a shop style I understand. And a type of project, (the NR derailleurs) I totally get..
Thanks for posting. I don't know if I feel less crazy, but I feel like I'm not alone! and I have been totally solo for 2 weeks.(Hard to think having something in common with a guy with the screen name "Mad Honk" makes one less crazy...
As you would say, Smiles, Eric
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
Ben,
Stash?? What stash?

you mean this stash?





The work bench. Looks like an unpacked Box O' Crap on the front half,.






more of the un-findable work bench


I spent three hours yesterday, trying to refurbish two NR rear derailleurs. Finally got one apart and found more rust and debris in it than any before. Second one was not as bad but the cages were destroyed. Looks like I'm gonna have a few small parts, from these two. Fortunately they were inexpensive Flea Bay finds, but they will become parts to save a few others. Smiles, MH
MH,
Oh Yeah, it looks so much better now that you have found everything and put everything in its place...nice job! time for a cold one.
Best, Ben
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Originally Posted by NHmtb
ISO: This may be a longshot. I have some vintage Robergel "15g" Trois Etoiles spokes in 302-307mm lengths and I need them to be 296-297mm length. Does anyone out there have the proper French spoke threader, and if you do, would you be willing to cut down the spokes I have and thread them?

I think the thread needs to stay the same, because I can't get away with cutting off the current threads (about 10mm in length) and still have enough length for the 3x pattern I am planning. Otherwise I would cut off these threads and thread them with modern 15g threads.
Maybe this isn't even posisble - never used a spoke threader, but I imagine it would be like using a die.

I've got some campy stuff I'd let go of, and of course greenbacks if nothing I have is of interest.
There's a local guy here who CL's a lot of stuff, guy I know, he has a box of 18 295s of this brand, he says they're double-butted but doesn't mention the gauges. I was gonna buy them myself when I get around to contacting him. Would they be of any use to you?
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76
It definitely happened.

Tri-Color

Short reach for comparison

Stamped 57 vs. short, stamped 49.
I’ve heard of those - very cool. But I think, in the traditional sense, they would be more appropriately called medium reach.
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True enough. Used to be called "standard reach". Say that now , and half of eBay thinks you mean 39-49mm
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Originally Posted by NHmtb
ISO: This may be a longshot. I have some vintage Robergel "15g" Trois Etoiles spokes in 302-307mm lengths and I need them to be 296-297mm length. Does anyone out there have the proper French spoke threader, and if you do, would you be willing to cut down the spokes I have and thread them?

I think the thread needs to stay the same, because I can't get away with cutting off the current threads (about 10mm in length) and still have enough length for the 3x pattern I am planning. Otherwise I would cut off these threads and thread them with modern 15g threads.
Maybe this isn't even posisble - never used a spoke threader, but I imagine it would be like using a die.

I've got some campy stuff I'd let go of, and of course greenbacks if nothing I have is of interest.
It's like using a die but with a lot more oil involved. I've "extended" plenty of spoke threads with mine, when I need spokes just to be a few mm shorter.

The question I have for you is, are the French spoke threads different in pitch? Or is it just the gauge (French 15ga being the same as US/British 13ga or 2.3mm)? I assume you've compared them to some other spokes. Reason I ask is, they sell thread rolling heads for 13ga and you could buy one and put it on my tool if it would help you. Might even be able to spread out my 14ga rolling head and try one.
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Originally Posted by scarlson
The question I have for you is, are the French spoke threads different in pitch? Or is it just the gauge (French 15ga being the same as US/British 13ga or 2.3mm)?
In the past couple decades, spokes have standardized around 56tpi pitch. @NHmtb's Robergel spokes likely pre-date this and could be quite different:


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Help!

Realizing that the flat lever skewers on the new Strawberry might be a little to vintage, I want to setup some of the curved ones to see how they look.

Thought I had a set but only have one, need another.

TIA

Like this.




Really only need the lever but will do whatever it takes.
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merziac Before the CPSC mandated curved levers some folks bent their own. Another possibility for you.
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Originally Posted by madpogue
There's a local guy here who CL's a lot of stuff, guy I know, he has a box of 18 295s of this brand, he says they're double-butted but doesn't mention the gauges. I was gonna buy them myself when I get around to contacting him. Would they be of any use to you?
I found some Robergels and some Unions on Ebay both in that length. I've never built with vintage spokes before, so I alsways just get everything cut to the exact length I need, but based on some research I convinced myself 1-2mm too short would be too much.
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Originally Posted by scarlson
It's like using a die but with a lot more oil involved. I've "extended" plenty of spoke threads with mine, when I need spokes just to be a few mm shorter.

The question I have for you is, are the French spoke threads different in pitch? Or is it just the gauge (French 15ga being the same as US/British 13ga or 2.3mm)? I assume you've compared them to some other spokes. Reason I ask is, they sell thread rolling heads for 13ga and you could buy one and put it on my tool if it would help you. Might even be able to spread out my 14ga rolling head and try one.
Thank you for the offer. If I can find a French spoke rolling head I'll take you up on that. The ones I have are a different pitch (I tried a modern 15g nipple and it won't thread on more than a thread or two). The spokes I have are 1.8mm in diameter.
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Originally Posted by obrentharris
merziac Before the CPSC mandated curved levers some folks bent their own. Another possibility for you.
Brent
Tx Brent, not a patient bender, hacksaw, bench grinder, cutoff wheel, BFH and coarse files and I'm ok, also want the modern script to match the front.

You ever done it?
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Originally Posted by merziac
Tx Brent, not a patient bender, hacksaw, bench grinder, cutoff wheel, BFH and coarse files and I'm ok, also want the modern script to match the front.

You ever done it?
Never have. I'd probably bandsaw a block of hardwood to the right curvature, sandwich the lever between the two pieces, and crank it down in a vise or press.
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Originally Posted by obrentharris
Never have. I'd probably bandsaw a block of hardwood to the right curvature, sandwich the lever between the two pieces, and crank it down in a vise or press.
Brent
Its a tough little piece, can't imagine how you could hold it tight enough to manhandle it especially without screwing up the chrome.

Really seems like it would take a fork bending like process to not muck it up.
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Merziac,

Like this??? Smiles, MH
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ISO: Record/Nuovo Record brake calipers. User condition is fine. I'd prefer the pre-CPSC version. I don't need levers, just calipers. VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo 2040, Record (standard reach, pre-CPSC)

HAVE?: Too much you list. What do you need? I have more than my share of Campagnolo derailleurs and cranksets, lots of wheels, plus other stuff, too.





Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by merziac
Help!

Realizing that the flat lever skewers on the new Strawberry might be a little to vintage, I want to setup some of the curved ones to see how they look.

Thought I had a set but only have one, need another.

TIA

Really only need the lever but will do whatever it takes.
Van, in today's mailing from Boulder Bikes, I saw this. Not sure if it's a match, but they also showed a few other Campy skewer items.
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@gaucho777 Darn you!!! Im a sucker for Regina freewheels. (If those tins have FWs inside)
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Van, in today's mailing from Boulder Bikes, I saw this. Not sure if it's a match, but they also showed a few other Campy skewer items.
Tx Niel, those are the non nutted version that won't work for me, Mad Honk is hooking me up.
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