ISO and for trade thread part 5
06-24-22, 05:20 PM
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I think that may be the NDS cone. But it appears that the DS cone isn't a match, either - it's M10x12mm.
https://si.shimano.com/#/en/search/Keyword?name=6400
https://si.shimano.com/#/en/search/Keyword?name=6400
06-24-22, 06:26 PM
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Believe the threading is the same (M10 meaning "metric threaded 10mm diameter axle), but that the the "x12mm" refers to the length of the cone.
The 6400 cones are each a bit shorter than the corresponding 7403 cones. Might be usable with spacers (if you could find the exact spacers needed; looking at the exploded diagrams, it seems you'd need a 0.5mm and a 2.0mm for NDS and DS, respectively). But in that case it's also possible the location of the seal might be wrong, and/or the widest parts of the cone might not fit correctly.
In any case: for something being given to a son or daughter, I certainly understand wanting to do things exactly right.
The 6400 cones are each a bit shorter than the corresponding 7403 cones. Might be usable with spacers (if you could find the exact spacers needed; looking at the exploded diagrams, it seems you'd need a 0.5mm and a 2.0mm for NDS and DS, respectively). But in that case it's also possible the location of the seal might be wrong, and/or the widest parts of the cone might not fit correctly.
In any case: for something being given to a son or daughter, I certainly understand wanting to do things exactly right.
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06-25-22, 05:11 AM
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Believe the threading is the same (M10 meaning "metric threaded 10mm diameter axle), but that the the "x12mm" refers to the length of the cone.
The 6400 cones are each a bit shorter than the corresponding 7403 cones. Might be usable with spacers (if you could find the exact spacers needed; looking at the exploded diagrams, it seems you'd need a 0.5mm and a 2.0mm for NDS and DS, respectively). But in that case it's also possible the location of the seal might be wrong, and/or the widest parts of the cone might not fit correctly.
In any case: for something being given to a son or daughter, I certainly understand wanting to do things exactly right.
The 6400 cones are each a bit shorter than the corresponding 7403 cones. Might be usable with spacers (if you could find the exact spacers needed; looking at the exploded diagrams, it seems you'd need a 0.5mm and a 2.0mm for NDS and DS, respectively). But in that case it's also possible the location of the seal might be wrong, and/or the widest parts of the cone might not fit correctly.
In any case: for something being given to a son or daughter, I certainly understand wanting to do things exactly right.
and it would be a very special bicycle, so there's a lot of sense in keeping all, even the tiniest bits, original. I completed most of the Ultegra 6400 group, but it's for a bicycle that will be frequently used. And as such, I don't care that much about every single bit being right. I also convert all my hubs that are going to be used on regular basis to a bolt and track nut, so keeping everything 100% original and genuine is impossible. The cones are Shimano, just in case there is a slight difference in the bearing race angle / curvature and because in my experience, using cones from different manufacturers causes more of a headache when it comes to getting the spacing right. I once converted a front hub to see it reach 105mm or so OLN. Had to go for junior bike hub axle to get it right...
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This Dura-Ace cone discussion really deserves its own thread. In fact, maybe a page on a wiki. (Forum software isn't a very good way to save knowledge in any sort of reasonable way.)
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Thanks for your input. The bike I am thinking of dressing with the DA is a Pinarello Veneto. Not top of the line but a Pin which is never bad!
The more I think about it the more I think this is the right solution for her bike. I did dress it in Superbe Pro for a trial run when she visited a few years ago. Her comment was that it was a great bike that didn't required much peddling!
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Example of the paint condition of the whole bike
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Thanks for your input. The bike I am thinking of dressing with the DA is a Pinarello Veneto. Not top of the line but a Pin which is never bad!
The more I think about it the more I think this is the right solution for her bike. I did dress it in Superbe Pro for a trial run when she visited a few years ago. Her comment was that it was a great bike that didn't required much peddling!
Pinarello Veneto on FlickrThe before picture as purchased.
Pinarello Vento- as purchased on FlickrExample of the paint condition of the whole bike
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06-26-22, 08:43 AM
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+1 on this becoming it’s own thread. LBS sometimes puts old bikes and bits out to be claimed for scrap/reuse. Day before yesterday, there was a decent looking rear wheel, missing the axle and hub innards. Had a useable Mavic rim so I took it home. Got home and found wheel has a 7403 DA hub. I wasn’t looking in this thread for rebuilding tips for my new wheel, but this has really helped me.
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Need a Mafac Racer brakeset - just the calipers and associated hardware, no levers required. Rider quality OK, but don't want rusty, either.
There are a couple inexpensive sets on ebay, but thought I'd give the group here first chance.
I can swap some Weinmann c/p, other stuff from the bin, or green. Let me know what you're looking for. PMs are fine.
There are a couple inexpensive sets on ebay, but thought I'd give the group here first chance.
I can swap some Weinmann c/p, other stuff from the bin, or green. Let me know what you're looking for. PMs are fine.
06-28-22, 11:27 PM
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In need of a cable fixing bolt and nut for a Huret Challenger FD. Mine snapped...
06-29-22, 12:01 PM
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^I think it's a steel bolt, possibly the nut is alloy but I bet they are both soft steel.
I don't think this is Huret-specific but you do need a bolt with the thru hole and (assuming) 2 flats. unless it's only one flat?
I bet something else (maybe a common CP brake part) might fit but I have no Huret FD to compare my spare hardware against.
If somebody else doesn't chime up then what I would need are the dimensions of that bolt, the more exact details the better.
I don't think this is Huret-specific but you do need a bolt with the thru hole and (assuming) 2 flats. unless it's only one flat?
I bet something else (maybe a common CP brake part) might fit but I have no Huret FD to compare my spare hardware against.
If somebody else doesn't chime up then what I would need are the dimensions of that bolt, the more exact details the better.
06-29-22, 01:59 PM
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unworthy1,
Yes, you are correct, both nut and bolt are steel (just checked with magnet). And right again, a through hole and 2 flats.
I'll have to check on the bolt measurements.
Yes, you are correct, both nut and bolt are steel (just checked with magnet). And right again, a through hole and 2 flats.
I'll have to check on the bolt measurements.
^I think it's a steel bolt, possibly the nut is alloy but I bet they are both soft steel.
I don't think this is Huret-specific but you do need a bolt with the thru hole and (assuming) 2 flats. unless it's only one flat?
I bet something else (maybe a common CP brake part) might fit but I have no Huret FD to compare my spare hardware against.
If somebody else doesn't chime up then what I would need are the dimensions of that bolt, the more exact details the better.
I don't think this is Huret-specific but you do need a bolt with the thru hole and (assuming) 2 flats. unless it's only one flat?
I bet something else (maybe a common CP brake part) might fit but I have no Huret FD to compare my spare hardware against.
If somebody else doesn't chime up then what I would need are the dimensions of that bolt, the more exact details the better.
06-29-22, 04:24 PM
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Need a Mafac Racer brakeset - just the calipers and associated hardware, no levers required. Rider quality OK, but don't want rusty, either.
There are a couple inexpensive sets on ebay, but thought I'd give the group here first chance.
I can swap some Weinmann c/p, other stuff from the bin, or green. Let me know what you're looking for. PMs are fine.
There are a couple inexpensive sets on ebay, but thought I'd give the group here first chance.
I can swap some Weinmann c/p, other stuff from the bin, or green. Let me know what you're looking for. PMs are fine.
06-29-22, 04:46 PM
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In need of a cable fixing bolt and nut for a Huret Challenger FD. Mine snapped...
Alternatively, brake cable fixing bolt for generic single pivot side pulls looks basically the same and has the right length. I got some new (don't remember who makes them at the moment) and they even have domed nut. Though the ones I have diameter 0.2mm smaller (5.6) than the Huret bolt I have (5.8), but they are probably made in several sizes.
06-30-22, 06:54 AM
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Incredible what sort of shiny metal looks like when you view it up close...
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Low-key looking for a pair of decent 70's Campagnolo brake levers to go with my calipers....anyone? TIA
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Skip,
The Superbe are Campy clones and take the same hoods. I have a supplier for the hoods and have some in stock here, but they are not Campy hoods (aftermarket).Smiles, MH
The Superbe are Campy clones and take the same hoods. I have a supplier for the hoods and have some in stock here, but they are not Campy hoods (aftermarket).Smiles, MH
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The Superbe and Modolo levers even hoods in good condition. I just need something to hang them all on.
06-30-22, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by smontanaro;[url=tel:22559571
22559571[/url]]I thought to myself, "Self, you can maybe help @ascherer out." I trundled down to the basement lair and emptied the brake lever drawer onto the workbench. I found: early D-A (2 pr), 600, Exage, Galli (2 pr), Modolo (maybe Corsa?), Superbe, and another upper tier Modolo (maybe Pro?). No Campy of any kind. I don't recall ever being completely devoid of Campy levers. I guess there's a first time for everything.
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Andy,
I likely have something here, I just gotta find them. gimme a call, Smiles, MH
I likely have something here, I just gotta find them. gimme a call, Smiles, MH
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I thought to myself, "Self, you can maybe help @ascherer out." I trundled down to the basement lair and emptied the brake lever drawer onto the workbench. I found: early D-A (2 pr), 600, Exage, Galli (2 pr), Modolo (maybe Corsa?), Superbe, and another upper tier Modolo (maybe Pro?). No Campy of any kind. I don't recall ever being completely devoid of Campy levers. I guess there's a first time for everything.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk;[url=tel:22559788
22559788[/url]]Andy,
I likely have something here, I just gotta find them. gimme a call, Smiles, MH
I likely have something here, I just gotta find them. gimme a call, Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc;[url=tel:22559883
22559883]Dang...2 Galli but no Campy...I think every BF member probably has a pair of Exage...that they save to help someone down the line.
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That will be fun to see!
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 [img]images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
^I think it's a steel bolt, possibly the nut is alloy but I bet they are both soft steel.
I don't think this is Huret-specific but you do need a bolt with the thru hole and (assuming) 2 flats. unless it's only one flat?
I bet something else (maybe a common CP brake part) might fit but I have no Huret FD to compare my spare hardware against.
If somebody else doesn't chime up then what I would need are the dimensions of that bolt, the more exact details the better.
^I think it's a steel bolt, possibly the nut is alloy but I bet they are both soft steel.
I don't think this is Huret-specific but you do need a bolt with the thru hole and (assuming) 2 flats. unless it's only one flat?
I bet something else (maybe a common CP brake part) might fit but I have no Huret FD to compare my spare hardware against.
If somebody else doesn't chime up then what I would need are the dimensions of that bolt, the more exact details the better.
Ok, completed some measurements and arrived at an estimate of bolt shaft length.
Flats of the bolt shaft is 5mm thick
Round of the bolt shaft is 6mm thick
Domed nut is 9mm long
see photo for next...
Cable hole is 2mm
Derailleur section the bolt must pass through is 6mm
So assuming the bolt shaft needs at least 4mm to catch in the nut, then
estimated bolt shaft length would be 12mm.
Sound about right?
06-30-22, 10:22 PM
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Thanks for the offer VintageSteelEU. i may be able find something generic stateside. Also see my post re approximate bolt size.
You mean the thing below? I'd need to clean it a bit (sorry, it came off a FD I got for parts and in a sorry state, so didn't bother making it presentable yet, hence a bit of caked mud on it), but if you're willing to wait for a delivery from the UK, happy to clean it up and send over. It's steel. I might even have some domed nuts the right size if that was your preferrence.
Alternatively, brake cable fixing bolt for generic single pivot side pulls looks basically the same and has the right length. I got some new (don't remember who makes them at the moment) and they even have domed nut. Though the ones I have diameter 0.2mm smaller (5.6) than the Huret bolt I have (5.8), but they are probably made in several sizes.
Alternatively, brake cable fixing bolt for generic single pivot side pulls looks basically the same and has the right length. I got some new (don't remember who makes them at the moment) and they even have domed nut. Though the ones I have diameter 0.2mm smaller (5.6) than the Huret bolt I have (5.8), but they are probably made in several sizes.