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Old 11-30-21, 02:53 PM
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I'm not always entirely sure why I get so much hate on all the forums i've ever joined,
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Most road bikes are very similar in fit, components and frame geo. I would have opted for an endurance road bike if I found one for sure.

I dont think there's anything wrong with the frame fit, unless I just don't fit on any road bike that's ever been designed for people my size.
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Originally Posted by Moisture View Post
Most road bikes are very similar in fit, components and frame geo. I would have opted for an endurance road bike if I found one for sure.

I dont think there's anything wrong with the frame fit, unless I just don't fit on any road bike that's ever been designed for people my size.
What?
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What?
Precisely.
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Originally Posted by Moisture View Post
Most road bikes are very similar in fit, components and frame geo. I would have opted for an endurance road bike if I found one for sure.

I dont think there's anything wrong with the frame fit, unless I just don't fit on any road bike that's ever been designed for people my size.
You need to post less, and read more. A lot more. We are trying to help you, but it seems pointless if you refuse to help yourself.
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You need to post less, and read more. A lot more.
There's an old saying about having two ears and one mouth, and that one should listen twice as much as one talks. The problem here, it seems, is that he's got a ratio of ten typin' fingers to two readin' eyes.
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Maybe we're being too hard on the OP. We know he's a tall fellow... Maybe he's oddly proportioned? Might be tough to get the right fit.

Who here remembers "Stringbean" from the old Hee haw show? I wonder what kind of bike would fit him.

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Old 12-01-21, 08:54 AM
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And if bicycling doesn't pan out, there are other way for folks of this stature to get their exercise:

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Old 12-01-21, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Moisture View Post
Most road bikes are very similar in fit, components and frame geo. I would have opted for an endurance road bike if I found one for sure.

I dont think there's anything wrong with the frame fit, unless I just don't fit on any road bike that's ever been designed for people my size.
I am 6'5 and have managed to find bikes that fit me fine. Since I like old steel, my c&v frames are all admittedly a couple cm smaller than ideal, but I make it work. My main road bike and gravel bike though?- dead on fit.

Based on things you have said, you are in your mid-20s and a body builder so you are clearly both young and in good shape. You dont have some extreme fitment issue due to age or injury that is keeping you from fitting on a road bike.

Instead of trying to go for a look(which you mention you are going for on this bike), try to go for fit first.
- Just use the crankarms that are on the bike and set the saddle at the appropriate height. Ignore all your temptation to slap a goofy long crankset onto the bike and just get your leg extension set properly.
- Next, set your saddle angle and placement on the seatpost. Get it so it is in a neutral level position since when it tilts down that places weight on your wrists and makes you constantly counter the sliding by pushing back.
- Then, set your bars in a comfortable height and reach. If you need, get a 17deg rise 80mm stem so it is crazy high and short. Start there and work your way both out in length and down in angle. Stop when it is comfortable.

Thats really it- nothing magical. Notice that I didnt suggest you slam the stem for a look and then figure out fit from there. Your bike isnt built with aggressive race geometry.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I think that, to make a proper assessment, we're going to need a pic of your position on the bike.
hazetguy agrees with this statement.
moisture should post some pics of moisture's positions on the bike (on hoods, drops, tops, pedal reach, etc).
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
hazetguy agrees with this statement.
moisture should post some pics of moisture's positions on the bike (on hoods, drops, tops, pedal reach, etc).
He has posted some pics like that. The position reminded me of Mrs. Doubtfire, though a little bit less aero.
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hazetguy has seen previous pictures of moisture's riding position(s) on other bikes, but hazetguy has not seen any pictures of moisture's position(s) on this fantastic KHS bike which is being discussed in this thread. perhaps hazetguy has not looked in the proper thread(s) about this bike?
hazetguy is also in agreement that if one rides for < half an hour and one is uncomfortable, one should re-evaluate and adjust one's position.
hazetguy hopes moisture posts pics of his position(s) on this KHS bike so that further advice can be given properly.
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If y'all enjoy Moisty's fit advice, he and the other one are handing it out pretty freely in Fitting Your Bike.
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Thank you guys, I will adjust my saddle a little and get some help with some pictures.

I'm not sure why you guys think I care about aesthetics with this bike? Not important to me at all. Only fit is. This is why I posted pictures.

I just ordered some surly truck stop bars in 48cm size. The reach and drop is on the fairly conservative side which should work well with the long stem and top tube.

@mstateglfr obviously you understand that everyone has awkward proportions? My inseam is 46% of my total height which isn't wildly disproportionate, but I certainly do feel that is messes with my bike fit a bit. I also have very long arms which makes things a bit more complicated still as my torso is relatively shorter, but I need extra space for my arms to stretch out anyways.

I've tried a 90mm stem +7° and it felt too short. With some small tweaks to saddle position, stem length and the new handlebars I should get into a much more effective position. I am not far off - just need to make the position more comfortable so I can sustain great performance even when im starting to become fatigued.

The bottom bracket is 267mm, which like I said will cause striking around turns even with 175mm arms. No way I'm going longer than that.
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hazetguy no pictures on fantastic KHS as of yet. Fit pictures coming. Unfortunately no more riding until the roads are dry and clean.
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If y'all enjoy Moisty's fit advice, he and the other one are handing it out pretty freely in Fitting Your Bike.
That reminds me, gotta go check out that section rofl
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shelbyfv the Surly bars are literally almost the exact same in sweep and drop/reach, just 2cm wider. So you prefer the 12° sweep over typical straight drop bars?
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Originally Posted by Moisture View Post
Thank you guys, I will adjust my saddle a little and get some help with some pictures.

I'm not sure why you guys think I care about aesthetics with this bike? Not important to me at all. Only fit is. This is why I posted pictures.

I just ordered some surly truck stop bars in 48cm size. The reach and drop is on the fairly conservative side which should work well with the long stem and top tube.

@mstateglfr obviously you understand that everyone has awkward proportions? My inseam is 46% of my total height which isn't wildly disproportionate, but I certainly do feel that is messes with my bike fit a bit. I also have very long arms which makes things a bit more complicated still as my torso is relatively shorter, but I need extra space for my arms to stretch out anyways.

I've tried a 90mm stem +7° and it felt too short. With some small tweaks to saddle position, stem length and the new handlebars I should get into a much more effective position. I am not far off - just need to make the position more comfortable so I can sustain great performance even when im starting to become fatigued.

The bottom bracket is 267mm, which like I said will cause striking around turns even with 175mm arms. No way I'm going longer than that.
I'll ignore the other dross in this post and respond just to the bolded sentence: Your problem is not equipment. Your problem is not knowing how to ride a bike.
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I'll ignore the other dross in this post and respond just to the bolded sentence: Your problem is not equipment. Your problem is not knowing how to ride a bike.
In fairness, it does look like he's got some big honking platforms on there - maybe they do strike rather easily
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
In fairness, it does look like he's got some big honking platforms on there - maybe they do strike rather easily
I've got some big honking platform pedals on my SS commuter bike, and still don't get pedal strikes. But then, I know how to ride.
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Originally Posted by Moisture View Post
I'm not sure why you guys think I care about aesthetics with this bike? Not important to me at all. Only fit is.

@mstateglfr obviously you understand that everyone has awkward proportions? My inseam is 46% of my total height which isn't wildly disproportionate, but I certainly do feel that is messes with my bike fit a bit. I also have very long arms which makes things a bit more complicated still as my torso is relatively shorter, but I need extra space for my arms to stretch out anyways.
I can't speak for others but I think you care about the look over fit because earlier in this thread you said you want to get to a specific look vs a specific fit.
I've got it all planned out now with my KHS.

Eventually, id like to settle with 100mm angled aggressively downwards with the degrees and at a pretty low stack with both my bikes.
As for everyone having different body proportions, of course I am aware. My inseam barefoot is 46.42% of my height. My arm length is 102.5% of my height.


I am sure you still won't understand why I think you are going for look vs fit, but its there plain as day.
If reach is all that's an issue, Amazon a few cheap stems of varying length and return the ones that don't work on initial fitting.
Grab a cheap dumb trainer from almost anywhere and use it to dial in fit at home. It's all sitting on a trainer so you will feel a poor fit relatively easily.
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shelbyfv the Surly bars are literally almost the exact same in sweep and drop/reach, just 2cm wider. So you prefer the 12° sweep over typical straight drop bars?
Yes. The Ritchey Butano bar does have 12 degrees drop flare/sweep. That seems to put my wrists in a more comfortable position than straight drops. Note the Surly Truck Stop has a 30mm rise from the clamp section, a benefit if you want to be more upright. FWIW, the Ritchey bar has about 20mm more drop than the Truck Stop. Edit- just noticed you want a downward angled stem. That will look wrong/contradictory with the rise of the Truck Stop.

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@mstateglfr interesting, it looks like we are proportioned about the same, you are like a bigger version of me xD

Like I said, aesthetics is totally irrelevant to me? Said it again.

@shelbyfv I compared the drop and reach on both those bars and they were within like 2 or 3 mm of each other despite the 30mm rise.

the rise wasn't really all that important for me - I was just looking for a drop and reach at or less than stock (125,80)... I realized that going from 44 to 46cm wouldn't be worth the effort and only settled once I found something that was 48cm. Looks like I actually bought the last pair in that size from the website I found.

I'm looking forward to trying out the 12° sweep! That should feel nice.

Ultimately I'm still looking for a slight upward angle on the stem because this frame has an aggressively low stack. I think those bars will work great for me anyways because they are almost exactly my shoulder width.
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shelbyfv the surly bar is 3mm less drop and 1mm closer reach despite the 30mm rise, just checked.

I just read somewhere that the width in the drops is 535mm or something like that? Was hoping to stay closer to shoulder width, would there be any issues with that on such a road bike?
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just read somewhere that the width in the drops is 535mm or something like that? Was hoping to stay closer to shoulder width, would there be any issues with that on such a road bike?
I guess you could geometry the width at the ends since you know two sides and an angle. Or wait until you get them and measure. Either way, I think you would scrape the pedal before the bar end.
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