Help ID this lugged Schwinn
03-19-23, 01:53 PM
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Help ID this lugged Schwinn
My gut says Japanese made LeTour, or World variant?
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...601003164.html
Long wheelbase, fancy lugs but drops look to be stamped.
Looks to be a smaller diameter post.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...601003164.html
Long wheelbase, fancy lugs but drops look to be stamped.
Looks to be a smaller diameter post.
03-19-23, 02:06 PM
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see nothing to suggest Schwinn-ness
appears to be of Italian origin
fork not original
lug pattern appears to be Agrati "ROMA" ART. 000.8020/EU
upper head lug is item N. 000.8024
lower head lug is item N. 000.8023
seat lug item N. 023.8059
bottom bracket shell item N. oo5.8057
dropouts N. 000.8002
tubeset seamed hi-tensile
saddle pillar size will be between 25.0mm and 26.0mm depending on specific set employed
plating brings model up one notch from base
one possible maker might be Garlatti although examples similar to this from this era usually exhibit an integral gear hanger
match is lug pattern, seat stay treatment, housing stops for rear brake
Garlatti also had the badges of Wander and Welker
if you had access to the machine you could measure distance between headplate fastener holes
Garlatti products of the era were done both with metal headplates and with adhesive transfer head markings
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see nothing to suggest Schwinn-ness
appears to be of Italian origin
fork not original
lug pattern appears to be Agrati "ROMA" ART. 000.8020/EU
upper head lug is item N. 000.8024
lower head lug is item N. 000.8023
seat lug item N. 023.8059
bottom bracket shell item N. oo5.8057
dropouts N. 000.8002
tubeset seamed hi-tensile
saddle pillar size will be between 25.0mm and 26.0mm depending on specific set employed
plating brings model up one notch from base
one possible maker might be Garlatti although examples similar to this from this era usually exhibit an integral gear hanger
match is lug pattern, seat stay treatment, housing stops for rear brake
Garlatti also had the badges of Wander and Welker
if you had access to the machine you could measure distance between headplate fastener holes
Garlatti products of the era were done both with metal headplates and with adhesive transfer head markings
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Last edited by juvela; 03-19-23 at 02:47 PM. Reason: addition
03-19-23, 04:03 PM
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Wouldn't the LeTour, or World variants have a better quality dropout?
I do agree the fork looks like a replacement
I do agree the fork looks like a replacement
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03-19-23, 04:58 PM
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I’m not interested in buying it, I was just curious. Juvela, that is quite the detailed assessment. Thank you.
While no expert in Schwinn’s imported or otherwise I saw the decal from the crankset photo, the head badge holes and the fact it had been rebuilt using a modern bottom bracket strongly suggesting English/ ISO threads, it does bear a strong resemblance to many of the Garlatti frames provided by a quick google image search.
Edit: for what it’s worth the seller sent me this photo. Clearly it’s no Paramount and to the sellers credit he never claimed that it was.
While no expert in Schwinn’s imported or otherwise I saw the decal from the crankset photo, the head badge holes and the fact it had been rebuilt using a modern bottom bracket strongly suggesting English/ ISO threads, it does bear a strong resemblance to many of the Garlatti frames provided by a quick google image search.
Edit: for what it’s worth the seller sent me this photo. Clearly it’s no Paramount and to the sellers credit he never claimed that it was.
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03-23-23, 09:12 AM
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All of the British racers from the 1930's and 40's, even the top models (with Reynolds HM or 531) had stamped dropouts, usually either Chater-Lea, Cyclo, B.S.A. I'm not saying that your frame is necessarily British, I will defer to Juvela's knowledge. I'm just saying that there were some great, even ornate frames before the advent of forged dropouts.
Can you pull the rear brake cable away from the top-eye, so we can get a clearer look at it? A close-up of the dropout wouldn't hurt, either. That's a really nice frame.
Can you pull the rear brake cable away from the top-eye, so we can get a clearer look at it? A close-up of the dropout wouldn't hurt, either. That's a really nice frame.
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03-25-23, 08:32 AM
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1989pre, this bicycle caught my eye while looking through craigslist, I do not own it. I agree it looks to be a pretty high quality frame.
