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I like to watch.
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https://road.cc/content/tech-news/ne...roupset-277779

Anyone care to comment??

p.s. it's possible early peek into next update to Shimano road groupset
If it's not vaporware, it would be the perfect upgrade for the Hab.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
My office building is creaking loudly thanks to a strong wind. It's really annoying.
I'm going to need to pick up a bunch of windfall, before I cut the next lawn. Also, annoying.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
If it's not vaporware, it would be the perfect upgrade for the Hab.
THAT'S what I am talking about!
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Which Doug is the good, bad, average?
Hey, at least it's not The Good, The Bad, And the Ugly!

(Pretty sure I'm Average Doug)
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Originally Posted by datlas
For back problems, the nuclear option is recumbent. I actually have a OLD one in the crawl space, I never use it but I can't bring myself to pitch it as I am sure I will need it some day when my back goes on me.
If you throw your back out, you'll have a hell of a time getting that thing out of the crawlspace, won't you?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
If you throw your back out, you'll have a hell of a time getting that thing out of the crawlspace, won't you?
It's on wheels, so maybe I can ride it out? Might need help pumping up the tires which are totally flat.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Yeah, it's huge, but the data look pretty good, assuming there isn't interpolation. Downsampling or a running average wouldn't create such a physiological-looking picture and the data appear to be shown at the native sampling rate of 1 Hz. However, there could certainly be something funny going on. Also, felt fairly strong and killed some segment times and if you look a the W'bal, I was deep in oxygen debt. I was with a big group, so I didn't look down at the display much.




I don't know. I'm just a humble Molecular Biologist, but the two times I hit what I'm pretty sure was my then-maxHR, it felt like I hit a wall and then somebody pulled the plug. I felt distinctly messed up for a day or so after.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
It's extra, if you want to watch.
how much extra to "help"?
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Originally Posted by datlas
It's on wheels, so maybe I can ride it out? Might need help pumping up the tires which are totally flat.
My crawlspace is only 3' tall, so I can't imagine riding anything out of it.

I'm also claustrophobic, which prevents me doing much more than sticking my head in before I get overwhelmed by the fear of the house falling on me and me being trapped between two of the floor joists.... *shudder*
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Okay, I just need to find a good spot. It may take me a while.

Actually, I've been thinking about adding some weight training over the winter, maybe two sessions per week or so. While it's been fun to work on my FTP and endurance rides this year, I think that I may embrace my skew towards short term power. When you do weight work, do you keep track of that in terms of fatigue? Or just go by feel?



Pass.

Squats and deads, and you can add lunges in there too. I do lunges with a bar on my shoulders, mainly for the core thing. They suck, back and forward, long steps. That's for a little later. First, acclimation is key. Squats with the bar, and make sure form is good. Use your phone, and review, and make sure your upper leg is below level. Your phone won't lie. If your form is good, then add a little weight. 60-80 pounds x40-50 reps. You'll be breathing hard by the time you're done, and then you'll be done for a week. For the next few days, walking will be a chore you don't even want to do. Then you start going 2 or 3 x20 reps. Increasing 5 each day if you're going 3 times a week. That's for the first three weeks. If you're still increasing weight, that's good. You may fail, and if so, reset down. Take a week off, and restart 20 pounds below max weight, and you'll go 4x10, adding 5 pound a session for three weeks. Deads, do 2x10 at the same weights you're doing on squats, throughout. Form and form. Keep recording. Oh, make sure form is good.

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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Okay, I just need to find a good spot. It may take me a while.

Actually, I've been thinking about adding some weight training over the winter, maybe two sessions per week or so. While it's been fun to work on my FTP and endurance rides this year, I think that I may embrace my skew towards short term power. When you do weight work, do you keep track of that in terms of fatigue? Or just go by feel?



Pass.

Oops. I didn't answer as far as feel goes. Go til fail, and go 3 weeks on, 1 week off.

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Originally Posted by genejockey
My crawlspace is only 3' tall, so I can't imagine riding anything out of it.

I'm also claustrophobic, which prevents me doing much more than sticking my head in before I get overwhelmed by the fear of the house falling on me and me being trapped between two of the floor joists.... *shudder*
It's a recumbent, so close to the ground. Plus, my crawlspace is nearly 6 feet high, although there are some cross-beams and pipes that drop down to about 5 feet so I sometimes still konk my noggin on them.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Yeah, it's huge, but the data look pretty good, assuming there isn't interpolation. Downsampling or a running average wouldn't create such a physiological-looking picture and the data appear to be shown at the native sampling rate of 1 Hz. However, there could certainly be something funny going on. Also, felt fairly strong and killed some segment times and if you look a the W'bal, I was deep in oxygen debt. I was with a big group, so I didn't look down at the display much.





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I don't know. I'm just a humble Molecular Biologist, but the two times I hit what I'm pretty sure was my then-maxHR, it felt like I hit a wall and then somebody pulled the plug. I felt distinctly messed up for a day or so after.
If my max is 177, where it was before today, I hit that all the time. That's only about 1.1 x my well-established threshold HR and, while it's not how I'd choose to spend the rest of my life, it's certainly bearable for a few seconds.
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I can never get the W’bal to display for some reason
Maybe you and WhyFi just ain't got no W'bal. :Þ :Þ :Þ
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Okay, I just need to find a good spot. It may take me a while.

Actually, I've been thinking about adding some weight training over the winter, maybe two sessions per week or so. While it's been fun to work on my FTP and endurance rides this year, I think that I may embrace my skew towards short term power. When you do weight work, do you keep track of that in terms of fatigue? Or just go by feel?



Pass.
I vote yes on weight training. I do 120 mins a week and really enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Maybe you just ain't got no W'bal, like old WhyFi . :Þ
in fairness, I also don’t know what it is.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
Dude, good to "see" you. Doing ok after the wonky feeling?
Ehh.

Stressed as hell with two all-day work meetings on Monday and Tuesday, which meant no riding (and ran late enough to unexpectedly keep me from COTA). Still tired. So while I could say "better" I don't trust my emotions like at all.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Squats and deads, and you can add lunges in there too. I do lunges with a bar on my shoulders, mainly for the core thing. They suck, back and forward, long steps. That's for a little later. First, acclimation is key. Squats with the bar, and make sure form is good. Use your phone, and review, and make sure your upper leg is below level. Your phone won't lie. If your form is good, then add a little weight. 60-80 pounds x40-50 reps. You'll be breathing hard by the time you're done, and then you'll be done for a week. For the next few days, walking will be a chore you don't even want to do. Then you start going 2 or 3 x20 reps. Increasing 5 each day if you're going 3 times a week. That's for the first three weeks. If you're still increasing weight, that's good. You may fail, and if so, reset down. Take a week off, and restart 20 pounds below max weight, and you'll go 4x10, adding 5 pound a session for three weeks. Deads, do 2x10 at the same weights you're doing on squats, throughout. Form and form. Keep recording. Oh, make sure form is good.

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I used to do some heavy leg work when I was a yute - I really used to have some thunder quads in my late-teens - early twenties. That was before bike riding, unfortunately. I'd kind of like to see what I can do now, though - I'd really like to hit some new 3sec and 15sec PRs come spring.
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in fairness, I also don’t know what it is.
As I understand it, there are two energy (work) compartments. The first is aerobic and is essentially limitless for model purposes, but can only sustain subthreshold efforts. The second is anaerobic, adds to the aerobic process to get you over threshold, and is quickly depleted. It is restored when effort is reduced and the anaerobic process is turned down. W' is your anearobic work capacity in joules. W'bal is how much of it you have left at a given point.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
I can never get the W’bal to display for some reason
You need to define W' before the field will pop up, I think. I have the field enabled, but without a W' figure, it just doesn't even pop up.

Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Maybe you and WhyFi just ain't got no W'bal. :Þ :Þ :Þ
Hey man - I got matches. Only two, but they're big ones.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
If my max is 177, where it was before today, I hit that all the time. That's only about 1.1 x my well-established threshold HR and, while it's not how I'd choose to spend the rest of my life, it's certainly bearable for a few seconds.
At the time I hit my then-max of 193 (in my 40s), I could hold 185 for some period and had hit 188 for several seconds. When I hit my max, I'd been accelerating as part of a club ride closing in on the finishing sprint, and went off too early. I accelerated uphill, then got out of the saddle and sprinted for all I was worth and suddenly my body said that was it, that's all I had. Done. And when I say "suddenly", I mean suddenly, as in *BANG* "That's all!"

You know that 'shattered' feeling you get from a really exhausting workout? That was me the rest of the day. So I figured that was probably my maximum.
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A clubmate of mine (who I have not ridden with since March because COVID19) just hit 10K for the year. That's pretty good for a 75 year old geeezer. OTOH he is retired so he can ride every day, which I think he does.
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As I understand it, there are two energy (work) compartments. The first is aerobic and is essentially limitless for model purposes, but can only sustain subthreshold efforts. The second is anaerobic, adds to the aerobic process to get you over threshold, and is quickly depleted. It is restored when effort is reduced and the anaerobic process is turned down. W' is your anearobic work capacity in joules. W'bal is how much of it you have left at a given point.
While poking around, I did find one interesting stat unlock - work done above FTP. Looking at my ride yesterday, I did ~3200kJ worth of work, total. Of that, the amount of work done above FTP was ~1400kJ, so damn near half - sounds about right for me
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