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Old 12-15-21, 01:42 PM
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On some of the ebike forums there is some speculation that ebikes will replace cars for shorter distance errands and commuting. I think this is wrong for a number of reasons but one of the major ones is theft.
The average ebike is worth more than the average commuter bike and given the ebike market these days, they are enticing targets for thieves.
Some places in Europe you see covered, guarded parking lots for bikes. You pay a small fee, you get a ticket for your bike and you redeem it to claim, just like a coat check.
I have never seen one of these in North America, in deed most bicycle parking is pathetic in terms of security and convenience.
The local MEC has bike parking right outside the front door, but it is a notorious place for bike theft. They are always encouraging people to leave their cars at home, to take public transportation or ride their bikes.
Yet they provide nothing to make it safe, no security camera, no check in, nothing. They are willing to pay lip service to cyclists but not willing to do anything for security.
Businesses and municipalities could do more to help keep your bicycle secure, but they don't.

My ebike is an ugly conversion, I always take the battery off and lock it with a kryptonite and have been lucky so far.
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Originally Posted by skookum
On some of the ebike forums there is some speculation that ebikes will replace cars for shorter distance errands and commuting. I think this is wrong for a number of reasons but one of the major ones is theft.
The average ebike is worth more than the average commuter bike and given the ebike market these days, they are enticing targets for thieves.
Some places in Europe you see covered, guarded parking lots for bikes. You pay a small fee, you get a ticket for your bike and you redeem it to claim, just like a coat check.
I have never seen one of these in North America, in deed most bicycle parking is pathetic in terms of security and convenience.
The local MEC has bike parking right outside the front door, but it is a notorious place for bike theft. They are always encouraging people to leave their cars at home, to take public transportation or ride their bikes.
Yet they provide nothing to make it safe, no security camera, no check in, nothing. They are willing to pay lip service to cyclists but not willing to do anything for security.
Businesses and municipalities could do more to help keep your bicycle secure, but they don't.

My ebike is an ugly conversion, I always take the battery off and lock it with a kryptonite and have been lucky so far.
The Bart transit stations in the Bay Area have BikeLink lockers. 5 cents per hour, secure locked parking. Also a couple Bart stations have staffed parking like you described, and one even houses a repair shop. It's possible and can work really well. Communities just have
to commit to making it happen (along with better infrastructure). I love the BikeLInk lockers and wish they had them everywhere - if they did I might not have bought a folding bike I can take into places..
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Old 12-16-21, 08:58 AM
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When I used my "e" for errands (bank, bike shop, market.), I was able to take it inside the establishment and watch it while shopping. COVID stopped those activities since I had everything delivered for awhile. Now, I'm in a more urban area and the few trips are mostly by car.
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Old 12-16-21, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by linberl
The Bart transit stations in the Bay Area have BikeLink lockers. 5 cents per hour, secure locked parking. Also a couple Bart stations have staffed parking like you described, and one even houses a repair shop. It's possible and can work really well. Communities just have
to commit to making it happen (along with better infrastructure). I love the BikeLInk lockers and wish they had them everywhere - if they did I might not have bought a folding bike I can take into places..
That is encouraging to hear about that kind of thing. Here at the CTrain stations there are racks for bikes but no lockers or security.
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That would be a good solution. Thanks for your reply.
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Old 12-17-21, 08:33 PM
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My lifestyle does not lend itself to shopping or even errands on a bike, or commuting, but if it did, I think I would fabricate couple of shoes to lock the wheels up, and also have a built in pad lock shroud on it to eliminate the use of bolt cutters being used. A battery powered grinder with a zip cut wheel on it, would still be a possible threat, but with a shoe on each wheel it would take a little while to do. Of course they could still pick it up and throw it in the back of a truck, or maybe carry it off.
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Old 12-17-21, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lastmohecken
My lifestyle does not lend itself to shopping or even errands on a bike, or commuting, but if it did, I think I would fabricate couple of shoes to lock the wheels up, and also have a built in pad lock shroud on it to eliminate the use of bolt cutters being used. A battery powered grinder with a zip cut wheel on it, would still be a possible threat, but with a shoe on each wheel it would take a little while to do. Of course they could still pick it up and throw it in the back of a truck, or maybe carry it off.
They have disc brake locks and some have an alarm system as well. Using an angle grinder that close to the disc/rotor and spokes could be an issue.
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Old 12-18-21, 07:31 AM
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The infrastructure isn't setup for human powered bicycles, let alone ebikes in most cities.

Investment from city planners needs to be put into infrastructure that human powered bicycles as well as ebikes can be a viable option for many errands in a city rather than a car.
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Old 12-19-21, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AOSTIRMOTOR
Yeah, considering this, folding bike would be a better choice.
Folding bikes tend to be heavy so they are solution for traveling by train or for those with very little space as home for storing a regular bicycle. The Blix Vika+ Flex weighs a little under 55 lbs and still a hefty 47 lbs with the battery pack removed. It is also a 7-speed bike designed for city use.
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You're right. Bike infrastructures are of equal importance.
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Of course a quality bike lock is key…. I just put on Pinhead skewers and seat post lock system…. Seems fine…. Anyone have long term experience with these?
the key they provide is difficult to tighten down in regards to the seat post so I tapped threads into the back of the key and glued an Allen bolt on back… this way I can use a tool to help leverage.
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Pinhead thoughts?

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Of course a quality bike lock is key…. I just put on Pinhead skewers and seat post lock system…. Seems fine…. Anyone have long term experience with these?
the key they provide is difficult to tighten down in regards to the seat post so I tapped threads into the back of the key and glued an Allen bolt on back… this way I can use a tool to help leverage.
What do you think about the Pinhead products?
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The skewers are great, the seat post made well, But the key is a poor design… not enough leverage to make the seat post tight enough…and slips out of the bolt too easily .. to help it work better I tapped a thread so I can screw in an Allen bolt …. Worked fine whenever you tighten But unscrewed when loosen. I then epoxy glued it in the thread and now I can use my T-handle Allen tool to make this workable.


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The Penta Pin security bolt is a better way to secure the seat post on a bike. Not sure though whether this could cause problems with a dropper post.
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I've seen locks with an active alarm that goes off if someone tries to fiddle with it. Might be worth the investment! (around 60 bucks)
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Originally Posted by Tpsfoto
Of course a quality bike lock is key…. I just put on Pinhead skewers and seat post lock system…. Seems fine…. Anyone have long term experience with these?
the key they provide is difficult to tighten down in regards to the seat post so I tapped threads into the back of the key and glued an Allen bolt on back… this way I can use a tool to help leverage.
Thank you so much for your reply and for sharing your approach with us.
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Originally Posted by Tpsfoto
The skewers are great, the seat post made well, But the key is a poor design… not enough leverage to make the seat post tight enough…and slips out of the bolt too easily .. to help it work better I tapped a thread so I can screw in an Allen bolt …. Worked fine whenever you tighten But unscrewed when loosen. I then epoxy glued it in the thread and now I can use my T-handle Allen tool to make this workable.

Thank you very much for your reply. Thanks for the advice and the way to share, it was a good decision.
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The Penta Pin security bolt is a better way to secure the seat post on a bike. Not sure though whether this could cause problems with a dropper post.
Thank you for your reply.
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Originally Posted by CycloneZ
I've seen locks with an active alarm that goes off if someone tries to fiddle with it. Might be worth the investment! (around 60 bucks)
Thank you very much for your reply and suggestions. Activity alerts are a good idea.
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Many years ago the University of California at Davis had roughly 20,000 students and it was such a large campus that a great many of them rode bikes to get from one class to the next. A great many bikes were stolen and in one case a bike rack that held a dozen bikes with them all carefully chained and locked to the rack was stolen. Men with a flat bed truck pulled up beside the rack and carried it with the bikes to the truck and drove off. After that incident the university security people decided to move the racks away from any road where a repeat could easily occur.

Whenever we have massive unemployment and no safety net and even grocery workers at places like Krogers where 14% of them are homeless, there will be desperate people looking for extra income. Unfortunately we are trained to look at petty criminals who break into a house and not the corporate criminals who take the entire house.
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I'm surprised that there aren't more e-locking systems, like the transponder systems on cars where unless your key electronically "unlocks" the anti-theft system, the vehicle engine will not remain running (or not start at all).
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I'm surprised that there aren't more e-locking systems, like the transponder systems on cars where unless your key electronically "unlocks" the anti-theft system, the vehicle engine will not remain running (or not start at all).
I gather that some Specialized have a code requirement option on some of their newer models. I'm not sure that it would prevent wheeling it away or even pedaling without power.

And while e-bikes are fairly expensive, theft of any bike, e or not, is still something that is hard to prevent. And there are some pretty darn expensive non e-bikes.
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Originally Posted by CycloneZ
I've seen locks with an active alarm that goes off if someone tries to fiddle with it. Might be worth the investment! (around 60 bucks)
do you have a link?
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ABUS makes a whole line of them all of their Smart locks have alarms but they also do a bunch of stuff that uses a key. However you might depending on what you have consider finding a shop that is taking part in their Keyed-A-Like program, especially if you already have a plus keyed item like a battery lock. You can order as many locks as you need based on that key number which makes it super handy,
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