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Wheel "upgrade"
I am a 205-215 lb. rider (93-98 kg), and I'm looking to get a set of summer riding wheels for my Cannondale Synapse 105 (rim brake). Currently I have Mavic Askium wheels on the bike. I ride about 80-120 miles/week.
I think I've narrowed it down to a few choices, which are lighter and slightly more aero from reputable builders, and in the $400-$600 range:
Neugent A310AS Alloy 31X24 Asym Rear Set (20/24 spoke count) Specifications
Blackset Race 30 700c Wheel Set (20/28 spoke count) Blackset Race 30 700c Wheel Set
Boyd Altamont Alloy Clincher Wheelset (20/28 spoke count) https://boydcycling.com/shop/road/al...cher-wheelset/
I will be using the new Conti 5000 tire 28mm.
Besides trying to narrow down my wheelset choice (the cheaper the better) I'm also wondering about how a wider rim will be with the chosen tire. I tried running the GP4000s2 tire in 28mm and ended up with some rubbing in the back. The rubbing was not apparent while riding, but after the first flat I noticed some light rub marks on the rear. The new 5000's are supposed to be true to listed size, whereas the 4000 tire ran wider than listed.
But still, should I be concerned with a wider rim than the stock Askiums? Probably should stick with a 25mm tire? Any negative experiences with the above wheels or builders?
I think I've narrowed it down to a few choices, which are lighter and slightly more aero from reputable builders, and in the $400-$600 range:
Neugent A310AS Alloy 31X24 Asym Rear Set (20/24 spoke count) Specifications
Blackset Race 30 700c Wheel Set (20/28 spoke count) Blackset Race 30 700c Wheel Set
Boyd Altamont Alloy Clincher Wheelset (20/28 spoke count) https://boydcycling.com/shop/road/al...cher-wheelset/
I will be using the new Conti 5000 tire 28mm.
Besides trying to narrow down my wheelset choice (the cheaper the better) I'm also wondering about how a wider rim will be with the chosen tire. I tried running the GP4000s2 tire in 28mm and ended up with some rubbing in the back. The rubbing was not apparent while riding, but after the first flat I noticed some light rub marks on the rear. The new 5000's are supposed to be true to listed size, whereas the 4000 tire ran wider than listed.
But still, should I be concerned with a wider rim than the stock Askiums? Probably should stick with a 25mm tire? Any negative experiences with the above wheels or builders?
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Neugent A310AS Alloy 31X24 Asym Rear Set (20/24 spoke count) Specifications
This is a result of a poorly designed rear hub.
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What kind of riding (speed, elevation, road surface quality) do you intend for your new wheels? I would think that you'd find a much bigger difference going deep section, even if it meant paying a weight penalty with aluminum rims with carbon fairings to save some money, unless you're doing lots of extended 6%+ grades and need dedicated climbing wheels.
Speaking from experience, I noticed better liveliness but hardly any speed difference losing 500g and 16 spokes "upgrading" from a Giant OEM 30mm wheelset to Hunt Aero Light Discs as a 136lb rider doing about the same weekly mileage averaging 50ft/mi elev gain, mostly because I have to spend a lot of time on the flats. I'd much rather use the Hunt wheels than the Giants, but the Hunts were a compromise because I wanted nicer wheels when I didn't have confidence that I could handle deeper ones in crosswinds. I would not blink an eye at considering 50-60mm deep rims were I at your weight, OP.
Speaking from experience, I noticed better liveliness but hardly any speed difference losing 500g and 16 spokes "upgrading" from a Giant OEM 30mm wheelset to Hunt Aero Light Discs as a 136lb rider doing about the same weekly mileage averaging 50ft/mi elev gain, mostly because I have to spend a lot of time on the flats. I'd much rather use the Hunt wheels than the Giants, but the Hunts were a compromise because I wanted nicer wheels when I didn't have confidence that I could handle deeper ones in crosswinds. I would not blink an eye at considering 50-60mm deep rims were I at your weight, OP.
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I thought the point of asymmetrical rear rims was to avoid all that, but they're the successful wheel company and I'm just some schlub on the Internet.
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I find their indifference to NDS tension interesting, too. Seems like that would be of some importance if you're trying to build a wheel that will still be true years in the future.
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Sure you can build a wheel this way, but I doubt there's any benefit to it.
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I believe you. I try whenever possible to use hubs that don't force bad decisions on spoke tension.
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I am a 205-215 lb. rider (93-98 kg), and I'm looking to get a set of summer riding wheels for my Cannondale Synapse 105 (rim brake).
Boyd Altamont Alloy Clincher Wheelset (20/28 spoke count) https://boydcycling.com/shop/road/al...cher-wheelset/
Boyd Altamont Alloy Clincher Wheelset (20/28 spoke count) https://boydcycling.com/shop/road/al...cher-wheelset/
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Another vote for Boyd. I weigh 220 and have a set of the ceramic Altamonts. Rock solid so far with 28f/32r.
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28mm GP4000s2 tires run 31mm on my Fulcrum Quatro LD wheels. GP5000 tires run 27.5mm on the same wheels. I had 1.5mm clearance in back with the 4000, and had some signs of rubbing. I could drive a semi through the clearance with the 5000s (joking of course).
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I think I'm liking Prowheelbuilder.com. They have plenty of options and brands to choose from, also a feature where you put your weight and intended use and it will label the various selections as "approved/recommended". So in the $700-$800 range I can get a lighter wheel with appropriate spoke count and decent hubs that should hold up and stay true like my Mavics do.
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I'm a fan of Mavic. I have an Aksium wheelset and a Kysrium Elite wheelset. Just bought a Mavic Ksyrium Elite UST rear. My experience is that they are bullet-proof. FWIW, I really like the tubeless UST and will probably get a front to create a wheelset.
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I think I'm liking Prowheelbuilder.com. They have plenty of options and brands to choose from, also a feature where you put your weight and intended use and it will label the various selections as "approved/recommended". So in the $700-$800 range I can get a lighter wheel with appropriate spoke count and decent hubs that should hold up and stay true like my Mavics do.
If you have been satisfied with Aksium you are about to be surprised.
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I think I'm liking Prowheelbuilder.com. They have plenty of options and brands to choose from, also a feature where you put your weight and intended use and it will label the various selections as "approved/recommended". So in the $700-$800 range I can get a lighter wheel with appropriate spoke count and decent hubs that should hold up and stay true like my Mavics do.
Nothing proprietary or difficult to replace either, which is nice.
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Yes, you will be surprised in a good way.
About tire rubbing. You don't want any. At all. Older Aksium was narrow, newer Aksium is same as most new wheels. Wider rims make any tire mount wider. GP4K in 28 was notorious for running very wide. The GP4K in 25 also runs wide. "Runs true to size" seems to be true for the 5000, but rim width and even rim design can throw curves at you.
About tire rubbing. You don't want any. At all. Older Aksium was narrow, newer Aksium is same as most new wheels. Wider rims make any tire mount wider. GP4K in 28 was notorious for running very wide. The GP4K in 25 also runs wide. "Runs true to size" seems to be true for the 5000, but rim width and even rim design can throw curves at you.
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I think I'm liking Prowheelbuilder.com. They have plenty of options and brands to choose from, also a feature where you put your weight and intended use and it will label the various selections as "approved/recommended". So in the $700-$800 range I can get a lighter wheel with appropriate spoke count and decent hubs that should hold up and stay true like my Mavics do.
Give them a call. Ask to speak with the owner Richard.
Richard is the only person in Atlanta I trust to touch my wheels including the store bought ones on my other bikes. To many twisted/broken spokes from going to the LBS.
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