AlmostTrick

Time for something a bit on the lighter side of the subject here.

livedarklions

It's a good gag, and it's actually something people really do. They actually add calories because they think they are eating something virtuous.

Juicing is probably the best example -people think they're doing something healthy while taking in an absurd amount of carbs.

willibrord

These are good points and you are to be congratulated for having the discipline to follow them and successfully lose weight. What a lot of people don't realize is that if they eat carbs to satiate exercise induced hunger, they are immediately undoing the benefit they gained from exercise. Carbs will cause you to stay hungry and overeat, and in addition your body will deposit fat cells. You need to consume protein and fat and very few or no carbs. No cakes, no cookies, no chips, no fruit. American dietary guidelines over the last 30 years have disparaged fats and encouraged people to consume carbs and to what result? An obesity epedemic as has never been seen before. People are blaming themselves for lack of will power and laziness, when a large part of it is fatally flawed dietary advice from the government itself.

KraneXL

Those government standards notwithstanding we already know how to eat right, its just that we're lazy. Nobody wants to cook anymore, and 7/10 women I see every morning are carrying a meal they picked up from fast food.

After all those supersize containers of sweet coffee mixes and pastries along with mechanical devices that do all our physical labor for us and what do you expect? The fattest population in the history of mankind.

livedarklions

All the research I'm reading now suggests that no or extremely low carbs is either not sustainable or pretty bad for you. In losing 150 pounds, I overdid the low carbs, and ended up accidentally in ketosis at one point. I felt absolutely miserable, and really noticed a drop in my mental acuity. I deliberately reintroduced fruit into my daily routine, continued to lose weight at the same rate, and didn't feel like I wanted to kill someone.

I do restrict carbs still because it's too easy to binge on them. But I'm finding that's true of some foods that are not high carb as well. That old cliche about not being able to stop eating peanuts is definitely true in my case.

AlmostTrick

Ditto.

Low-carb diets could shorten life, study suggests

Lemond1985

Estimation, based on self-reporting of eating habits. Folks, this study is more psychology than nutrition.

wolfchild

This is wrong, I have no idea where you getting all this nonsense from.

wolfchild

That's exactly right...Majority of people who follow low-carb and keto diets do so temporarily and eventually go back to normal way of eating...After they go back to normal way of eating they also end up gaining more weight than before because their bodies and metabolism is all messed up from eating vary high fat and no carbs.

KraneXL

Not incorrect. It may not be as scientifically stated as it could be, but it is essentially true. Carbs are the least satiating of the macro nutrients so you will typically overeat. And again, carbs illicit the greatest insulin response, which cause your body to store more fat.

Try the test yourself. I went from a pot belly to a flat waist just by manipulating carbs.

Lemond1985

I will admit that cutting out ALL carbs is pretty extreme. However, people need to abandon the myth that eating fat is what makes people fat. Excess carbs are what's causing the bulk of the obesity epidemic in this country, that and larger portion sizes, and especially soda consumption.

gregf83 

wolfchild

Carbs such as oatmeal, potatoes, rice, beans, peas, pasta are very satiating and hard to overeat.

Complex carbs which are high in fibre cause minimal insulin spike.... and when those carbs are combined with protein and a little bit of healthy fat the insulin response is even smaller. The way I look at it is that, any diet which eliminates and forbids certain food groups is just a fad diet..

Nachoman

60% carbohydrates, 25% fats and 15% protein is what works for me.

Lemond1985

Vegetables and fruits too. It's tough to go wrong with natural unprocessed foods (of the type humans were intended to eat) due to the fiber content, there only so much of them you can eat. It's difficult to over-eat them, nearly impossible.

willibrord

From Taubes and Teicholz particularly, but not exclusively. They are overturning decades of false information and pseudo science promoted by the industrial food lobby.

Gary Taubes ? Author of The Case Against Sugar, Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories

https://thebigfatsurprise.com/

wolfchild

What false information ??....It's a fact that ancient humans have been eating various types of carbohydrates for thousands of years, long before agriculture and farming became mainstream.

OBoile

Off topic, but how do you put someone on "Ignore" on this board?

OBoile

Again... no.

OBoile

True.
Somewhat false. Excess *everything* (except fruits and vegetables) is what's making people fat in the USA.

OBoile

Correct. High fibre carbs are very satiating.

livedarklions

You have to be on the full site, not the mobile version. Your ignore list is on your control panel.

My favorite part of that list is that I don't get an email message when one of these guys tries to troll me further.

KraneXL

Fine, but nobody eats like that. When was the last time you saw a mom cook old fashioned oats and feed it to her kids? They get the sugar coated cereal where you can eat the whole box and still not feel full.

The other morning I saw a dad feeding his elementary school son and daughter M&Ms, a bag of potato chips and soda pop for breakfast. Your suggestion is ideal, but this is how it plays out in the real world. Where there's a will there's a way. But yes, you're only going to chew so many apples. No, you were right the first time. Healthy or not any excess with ultimately make you fat.

livedarklions

I think all of the decent science being done in the area is suggesting that the ideal balance of macronutrients, calories and activity varies enormously from person to person.

It makes sense that there would be enormous genetic variation. We are descended from people who were adapted to very different food supplies and climates.

livedarklions

Juicing makes excess fruit intake pretty easy, and french fries are vegetables too, so I probably would drop the qualifiers.

When they were researching props for Mad Men, they realized they had to scale down almost all of the foods, especially pastries and breads. They had to make little bagels and danish, for example, because pretty much no bakeries do so anymore.

When I was losing weight by controlling calorie intake only, I pretty much never ate out because the servings of carbs were always so absurd. If I'm eating with someone who orders fries, I have noticed that they have turned into some kind of loss leader with a really low price for a huge portion. I think 5Guys started this, and it seems to be becoming a universal. I honestly can't think of a worse food to binge on.

BTW, I don't make pasta or rice at home because I find I have no limits on how much I can eat. Refined (white) starches really aren't metabolized significantly slower than sugar. The false belief that they were was one of the fallacies that led to the high carb/low fat disaster.