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Old 11-26-22, 07:45 AM
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A replacement for discontinued Shimano BR-M465

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Would you be able to recommend a disc calliper similar to Shimano Deore BR-M465 please?

That model is discontinued already. The model allows to adjust pads position on both sides.

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Economical: Avid BB7

Less economical: TRP Spyke

Stupidly expensive but oh so gorgeous!: Paul Klamper

All three have pad adjustment on both sides and all three have road versions. The Klampers can even be converted from long pull to short pull by changing the arm
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Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?

Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?

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Originally Posted by Marcin.81 View Post
Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?

Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?

Many thanks
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All of the calipers cyccommute listed are long pull which would generally be found on a mountain bike. The Paul Klamper is adjustable with different arms so you can use it for Short, Long or Campy pull and the BB7 has a mountain variety (the wrong one was linked initially) but like you see they have a road variant as well and the Spyke is mountain only, if you ever wanted road that is the Spyre.

For dual piston that would be the Spyke but Paul says their Klamper is better because it is a single piston design and trying to do two pistons would make a really huge brake. I can see what he is saying and I do generally love Paul components and use a bunch of them on different bikes but I am not sure if the single piston is better than the dual piston of the Spyre/Spyke but maybe one day I might get to try the Klampers long term.
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Originally Posted by Marcin.81 View Post
Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?

Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?

Many thanks
Marcin
The 3 cyccommute posted are sold in road (short pull) and mountain (long pull). The BB7 and Klampers use the same name, the road TRP is labeled Spyre.

Edit: veganbikes beat me.
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Thank you all. I got it 😉
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Originally Posted by katsup View Post
The 3 cyccommute posted are sold in road (short pull) and mountain (long pull). The BB7 and Klampers use the same name, the road TRP is labeled Spyre.

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Originally Posted by veganbikes View Post
All of the calipers cyccommute listed are long pull which would generally be found on a mountain bike. The Paul Klamper is adjustable with different arms so you can use it for Short, Long or Campy pull and the BB7 has a mountain variety (the wrong one was linked initially) but like you see they have a road variant as well and the Spyke is mountain only, if you ever wanted road that is the Spyre.

For dual piston that would be the Spyke but Paul says their Klamper is better because it is a single piston design and trying to do two pistons would make a really huge brake. I can see what he is saying and I do generally love Paul components and use a bunch of them on different bikes but I am not sure if the single piston is better than the dual piston of the Spyre/Spyke but maybe one day I might get to try the Klampers long term.
I couldnít get spyres to give me the kind of braking I wanted so I replaced them with klampers, there was a night and day difference between the two.

The flip side is the bike internet loves spyres and they canít all be wrong
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Originally Posted by Marcin.81 View Post
Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?

Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?

Many thanks
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My fault. I meant to say that all of those calipers were available in road versions as well. To be clear, they are available in both mountain and road versions.
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Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
I couldnít get spyres to give me the kind of braking I wanted so I replaced them with klampers, there was a night and day difference between the two.

The flip side is the bike internet loves spyres and they canít all be wrong
The Spykes I had worked okay but I donít like the pad adjusters. They use a 3mm Allen aluminum pad adjuster which is far too easy to strip out. I changed my Spykes for BB7 on my dual suspension bike.

I have Klampers on 3 bikes which I like but, honestly, Iím not sure they are vastly superior to Avidís BB7. They look great and they work great but Iím not sure they perform nearly 3 times better ($100 vs $250 per caliper).
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I couldnít get spyres to give me the kind of braking I wanted so I replaced them with klampers, there was a night and day difference between the two.

The flip side is the bike internet loves spyres and they canít all be wrong
Yeah pretty much I love my Spyres but I know plenty of folks who love their Klampers I wish I could build two bikes identically to try them out side by side but I think my next bike with disc brakes is going to be again hydraulic.
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...I have Klampers on 3 bikes which I like but, honestly, Iím not sure they are vastly superior to Avidís BB7. They look great and they work great but Iím not sure they perform nearly 3 times better ($100 vs $250 per caliper).
I have a bike with Klampers and BB7 as well. The klampers I trust more on steep technical downhills and don't feel the same security on the BB7. Although, the bikes are rather different.

While I'd agree with you that klampers may not be worth 3x the cost, I'd have difficulty trusting BB7s with some riding.
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I have a bike with Klampers and BB7 as well. The klampers I trust more on steep technical downhills and don't feel the same security on the BB7. Although, the bikes are rather different.

While I'd agree with you that klampers may not be worth 3x the cost, I'd have difficulty trusting BB7s with some riding.
I used BB7s a lot prior to the Klampers. Never had a problem with them nor thought they were going to fail me. But I donít have any problem with any kind of brake.
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I used BB7s a lot prior to the Klampers. Never had a problem with them nor thought they were going to fail me. But I don’t have any problem with any kind of brake.
I haven't had the BB7 fail me either, but the stopping power feels stronger with my Klampers and I am more confident with them. Just not 3x as stronger.
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Juin Tech M1 or Motoko MTB are cable actuated hydraulic brakes for MTB. Not exactly cheap, but more or less do what you asked for: the two pads can extend by a different amount.
Make sense for road levers (I think it was katsup whose post prompted me to upgrade to Juin Tech R1), for MTB you can probably just go full hydraulic.
Since we are mentioning Klampers, it probably makes sense to mention Juin Tech M1 as well
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Juin Tech M1 or Motoko MTB are cable actuated hydraulic brakes for MTB. Not exactly cheap, but more or less do what you asked for: the two pads can extend by a different amount.
Make sense for road levers (I think it was katsup whose post prompted me to upgrade to Juin Tech R1), for MTB you can probably just go full hydraulic.
Since we are mentioning Klampers, it probably makes sense to mention Juin Tech M1 as well
Those Juin Tech R1s are still working great on my commuter. They have a little over 4500 miles on them now. They work much better than BB7s in a drop bar setup as they helped with the lever pull when I was mending a broken wrist. I didn't think of them as OP wanted the ability to adjust pads separately vs combined, but they are a good option.

Another option that is rather new is from Growtac, which got good reviews, but are also expensive. Pass Less Pedaled did a video comparing them to Klamper and Juin Tech (Yokozuna), but his verdict was basically all are good.
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I have installed and used the Spyre, BB7, Tektro, Shimano, etc. etc. etc. The mechanical brakes seem to preform much the same, provided one sticks with a known quality brand such as Avid, Spyre, Shimano, etal, and not the low end junk from Formula and others like them. As for adjustment, the BB7 is likely the easiest to adjust, however the two sided action of brakes like the Spyre makes for quick adjustment as well.
Only one complaint about Spyre brakes has been already mentioned. The 2.5mm pad adjuster. Does not instill confidence at all, and cannot be ham-fisted in any manner. If you ride in foul environments on a full-time basis, that 2.5mm adjuster can become a problem due to corrosion. Discovered this on my son's commuter bike, and for this reason I have a set of BB7's sitting in a box waiting for a frame to install them on. Doubt I will ever do it since rim brakes work just fine for me. Anyone need a BB7 caliper set?
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Isn't Avid BB7 SRAM? Shimano and SRAM can't be mixed as Shimano uses mineral oil and SRAM uses DOT fluid.
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Isn't Avid BB7 SRAM? Shimano and SRAM can't be mixed as Shimano uses mineral oil and SRAM uses DOT fluid.
The question is about mechanical disc brakes.
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Isn't Avid BB7 SRAM? Shimano and SRAM can't be mixed as Shimano uses mineral oil and SRAM uses DOT fluid.
I am sure this has got to be a joke, right? You linked to a cable brake that lists it in the title. In terms of most hydraulic brakes you would be correct but these are all cable brakes and the first Shimano disc brake did use DOT fluid and SRAMs latest brake which is an entry level brake does use mineral oil.
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The question is about mechanical disc brakes.
Ooops! My bad! Too much tryptophan consumption this weekend.
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