FelixScout

I was trawling the Facebook Marketplace listing and found this bike.



The brand is claimed to be Phoenix and that is all I know. Any thoughts?

veganbikes

It is a listing for a low end bike taken from the non-drive side. What info are you interested in? If you are dying to have it go for it but I probably would pass. It has one break and snapped and that isn't a good sign.

The title immediately reminded me of Bauhaus:

FelixScout

Honestly, I'm just satisfying my curiosity about what this bike is.

veganbikes

Ahh fair dinkum then. I don't really know and that photo is quite poor but maybe just maybe someone in the Classic and Vintage section has more knowledge if not maybe a German website might be ein guter ort, um zu schauen!

FelixScout

Gute Idee!

cyclezen

It's not a German manufacturer, it's an asian import from the 70's, like 'Royce Union' was in the US.
FYI 'Ort' is most commonly in use as a small place geographically - like village, small town, place with a few houses/bldgings...
Google doesn't work for everything
'Stelle' might be better, but it too, has some 'considerations' of use.
Ride On
Yuri

FBOATSB

Now that right there is a 30 dollar bike. Used to be right up my alley. If you need a project to keep you out of trouble and off the streets. You could probably get it for less.

martl

The name shows up a lot in German web marketplaces. There seem to have been a few different companies using the name, one was dutch out of Leeuwarden, -> https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fongersmost recently a Chinese company uses it for bikes.
based on the lack of hard info in the usual listings of defunct bike brands, it isn't a company but rather one of the million brand names used by German bicycle manufacturers before and after ww2

T-Mar

In my opion not even worth $30. Now, if the seller offered me $30 to take it off his hands...

Seriously, this is the type of bicycle that you pick up for fee at garage at the end of the day. It was entry level and inexpesive when new, based on the stamped dropouts, stem mounted shift levers, steel cottered crankset, nutted hubs, steel rims and tubular steel seat post. About the only entry level bicycle characteristics that it is missing are the brake safety levers and the pie platre spoke protector. You'll be spending at least $50 and several hours labout to get yourself a bicycle that may be worth $50.

However, it's interesting that it is reportedly German, as it appears to have a light bracket on the right fork leg, which is typically found in countries where they drive on the left hand side of the road.

cb400bill

Merged duplicate threads into the C&V fourm.

FelixScout

Thank you.

martl

In the era this bike is coming from, as You say 70ies, Asian imports weren't a thing yet in Europe, we could produce our own crap back then

cyclezen

I think you'll find that Phoenix IS an asian import - prolly China...
I chose to call German Bikes, 'Sturdy'/Stark, nicht 'crappage' LOL! But there were some higher level stuff like Kalkhoff and a few others.
Tchüss !
Rädel weiter !
Yuri

martl

German brands in the 70ies didn't import yet from china to my knowledge. the most affordable bikes were sold by department stores like Quelle, Neckermann, Karstadt and supplied by brands like Kalkhoff. they had production in germany with a capacity of several thousand frames a day (!). This later moved to eastern block countries. May have been different in the US