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Old 03-31-20, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
I have the XCR. It's not made by Cinelli, but contracted out to Cicli Barco.
XCR FRAMES | ciclibarco
Cicli Barco makes their frames in Italy so technically the Cinelli XCR is made in Italy.
I just got my Cicli Barco XCR frame and in the cardboard packing of the frame was a lot of Columbus tubing boxes, one of which had "Cinelli Super Corsa" written on it in black marker. I can only assume that Barco makes that as well.
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Originally Posted by Johnk3 View Post
I just got my Cicli Barco XCR frame and in the cardboard packing of the frame was a lot of Columbus tubing boxes, one of which had "Cinelli Super Corsa" written on it in black marker. I can only assume that Barco makes that as well.
interesting! but yea possibly. Barco has a close relationship with Columbus, and Cinelli and Columbus are pratically the same company.
Here's something else interesting. I remember asking my seller (in Hungary) about the progress of my Cinelli XCR and why it was taking longer than expected, the seller said that the frame was triaged to be painted, but that their painter guy got sick and so production was being held up a bit. Now I don't know if there was only 1 painter or many painters, or if the painter is from Cicli or from Cinelli. It was just something interesting to hear.

I'm interested in seeing a pic of your bike. Did you order it from an American distributor?
Did you order your frame from way back and just now received it? Italy has been under lockdown.
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Old 04-01-20, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
interesting! but yea possibly. Barco has a close relationship with Columbus, and Cinelli and Columbus are pratically the same company.
Here's something else interesting. I remember asking my seller (in Hungary) about the progress of my Cinelli XCR and why it was taking longer than expected, the seller said that the frame was triaged to be painted, but that their painter guy got sick and so production was being held up a bit. Now I don't know if there was only 1 painter or many painters, or if the painter is from Cicli or from Cinelli. It was just something interesting to hear.

I'm interested in seeing a pic of your bike. Did you order it from an American distributor?
Did you order your frame from way back and just now received it? Italy has been under lockdown.
I ordered my frame directly from Cicli Barco last fall. Gianluca Barco is very fluent in English and is very responsive. He always answered my emails within a day or two. He was very helpful about suggestions of options like finish and paint. They will literally do anything you want. They also got me very good prices on a Campy Super Record 12 speed group set as well as some very nice Italian hand made carbon stuff like seat post, stem and handlebars by WR Compositi. Just this morning, I took the frame and parts to my local bike shop, Mellow Johnny's (owned by Lance Armstrong) to be built.

I also have an ongoing frame problem with Cinelli. About two and a half years ago, I got a Supercorsa, but the chrome work was not done right and began to rust in a few months. They re-chromed it but used the same chrome shop and the results were the same, rust. So, they are making me a whole new frame with triple coated chrome, copper, nickle and then chrome. It was supposed to be finished a month ago, but they said their paint shop was closed down because of illness. I have been dealing directly with Cinelli. My guess is that Barco makes their raw frames and Cinelli finishes them.

My Barco XCr has internal cable routing, a Barco Viva stainless steel fork with a carbon steering tube, brushed stainless finish, custom paint colors and design as well as custom geometry. It also has a stainless name plate and a metal shield with the Italian colors and a dark nickle head badge. The fork and rear stays were made to use Campy's new direct mount brakes.

I have to be honest with you. Dealing with Barco directly is a far better way to get exactly what you want at a much cheaper price. When you deal with others, everyone adds a lot on to the price and another chance to make a mistake. I have nothing but high praise for everything they do. There was not one mistake or mix-up including all of the accessory items. They will also put together a complete bike for you which would be a lot cheaper than what you could arrange in the US.


Direct mount brakes

Barco's Viva fork



The little shield has not yet been painted.
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Old 04-02-20, 08:10 AM
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^^^ Would love to see the final build. Very nice.
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Old 04-02-20, 09:19 AM
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That Barco XCr frame as pictured cost me 3,330 euros ($3,600) including shipping to Texas. I would say that is a real deal. The raw Columbus XCr tubeset costs 817 euro ($888).
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My Cinelli Mash Work is a fantastic bike. It rides quite nicely and looks great. I might change a few things here and there but only because I have mine set up more as a randonneuring style bike (ish) rather than just a complete cross or fixed gear bike. I wanted an XCr when I first saw one and still would love one but have moved on a little only because I want full custom but if one came along at the right price I probably would pounce.

They are a storied brand and certainly came back in a huge way thanks to fixed gear culture and the MASH folks but have always cranked out some nice parts and frames, Plus they are owned by the same company that owns Columbus tubi who make some of the finest steel tubes out there.
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Originally Posted by Johnk3 View Post
That Barco XCr frame as pictured cost me 3,330 euros ($3,600) including shipping to Texas. I would say that is a real deal. The raw Columbus XCr tubeset costs 817 euro ($888).
That price is actually a tad lower than when I was asking a US distributor of Barco (which I believe I got quoted for $3900). XCR tubeset back about 3 years ago was $600, so now it's $888 eh.

Your bike is badass nice. Direct mount rim brakes, stainless steel fork, carbon steerer,.. man you definitely don't find this fork on the retail market! Did you get direct mount for the rear too? I can't tell from the pic about the rear. You'll like the feel of it! My Xcr rides awesome, it's a tad stiffer than titanium but more forgiving then pure carbon frame. The handling is spot on! Going over railroad tracks don't ping your feet like pure carbon frame. One thing is for sure, XCr bikes are rare to see. I'm in Socal and I have not run into another rider with XCr frameset yet!
Lots of other steel bikes, lots of Ti bikes, and a gluteny of fancy light weight carbon bikes, but have not seen one single XCr bike yet.
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Old 04-06-20, 07:06 PM
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[QUOTE=aclinjury;21404054]That price is actually a tad lower than when I was asking a US distributor of Barco (which I believe I got quoted for $3900). XCR tubeset back about 3 years ago was $600, so now it's $888 eh.

The base price for Barco's TIG welded XCr frame with a stainless steel curved traditional fork, and one paint color is 2620 euros. You get a choice of brushed stainless or polished finish, and internal or external rear brake cable routing for the same price. Direct mount brakes adds 120 euros, the Viva fork with carbon steering tube adds 250 Euros, the name plate and Italian shield, extra paint colors and shipping (170) each add something adding up to 3330 euros. I don't think I could have spent any more on the frame if I tried. It's a total bargain. I just got the completed bike back from my LBS this afternoon. I will post some photos of the finished product soon.

I have direct mount brakes on the front and back. The Viva fork with the carbon steering tube is their own invention. You can also get it with a steel tube for 100 less.

Cicli Barco also offers a lugged XCr frame with stainless lugs for about 140 Euros more. They have 6 different stainless lug styles for the fork.

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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
That price is actually a tad lower than when I was asking a US distributor of Barco (which I believe I got quoted for $3900). XCR tubeset back about 3 years ago was $600, so now it's $888 eh.

Your bike is badass nice. Direct mount rim brakes, stainless steel fork, carbon steerer,.. man you definitely don't find this fork on the retail market! Did you get direct mount for the rear too? I can't tell from the pic about the rear. You'll like the feel of it! My Xcr rides awesome, it's a tad stiffer than titanium but more forgiving then pure carbon frame. The handling is spot on! Going over railroad tracks don't ping your feet like pure carbon frame. One thing is for sure, XCr bikes are rare to see. I'm in Socal and I have not run into another rider with XCr frameset yet!
Lots of other steel bikes, lots of Ti bikes, and a gluteny of fancy light weight carbon bikes, but have not seen one single XCr bike yet.
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^^^ Would love to see the final build. Very nice.
The final build, Campy SR 12 group, WR Compositi carbon parts, HED Belgium Plus rims on White Industries T11 hubs, Vittoria Corsa Control tubeless tires.

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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
I have the XCR. It's not made by Cinelli, but contracted out to Cicli Barco.
XCR FRAMES | ciclibarco
Cicli Barco makes their frames in Italy so technically the Cinelli XCR is made in Italy.
That links shows a gorgeous stainless steel frame. But the real delight was the same frame with candy-apple red paint. Nothing like a candy-coat paint over chrome or stainless with tasteful graphics rather than a billboard. Give it a curved blade fork and I would have serious case of the gimme & wants. .
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That links shows a gorgeous stainless steel frame. But the real delight was the same frame with candy-apple red paint. Nothing like a candy-coat paint over chrome or stainless with tasteful graphics rather than a billboard. Give it a curved blade fork and I would have serious case of the gimme & wants. .
Barco's XCr base price includes a stainless curved fork. So, there you go. They will paint it any color you want, no limits.
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Johnk3 -- Most excellent build. I have never built with a straight bladed fork, and i should.

I run an SMP saddle on a go-anywhere (road) Campy10 triple on Ti frame..
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I had wanted a Cinelli XCR for a long time but then I found out about Barco. I definitely want internal cable routing so that and the price make the Barco my choice for that next build.
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The final build, Campy SR 12 group, WR Compositi carbon parts, HED Belgium Plus rims on White Industries T11 hubs, Vittoria Corsa Control tubeless tires.

fancy!!! very nice. How does she feel?
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That links shows a gorgeous stainless steel frame. But the real delight was the same frame with candy-apple red paint. Nothing like a candy-coat paint over chrome or stainless with tasteful graphics rather than a billboard. Give it a curved blade fork and I would have serious case of the gimme & wants. .
well that candy-red frame does give me some second thoughts about buying Cinelli! If I were to do it over, I probably go with Barco in that color
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fancy!!! very nice. How does she feel?
She feels like part of me. If you like steel, you will love XCr.
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Steel is really nice

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fancy!!! very nice. How does she feel?
She also weighs 18 lbs. 14 oz. WITH pedals and that is for a 58.5 cm size frame.
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I’m looking for a steel frame to build up as a second bike w leftover parts (and maybe some new 105 parts) and am liking the Vigorelli Road frame in the purple finish. Not a whole lot out there as far as reviews. Any thoughts before I drop my order?
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She also weighs 18 lbs. 14 oz. WITH pedals and that is for a 58.5 cm size frame.
my XCR is a hair over 17 lbs with pedals, but my frame is size 50 cm with carbon fork. Really love the feel of it, not too stiff like carbon fiber, not too soft like Ti.
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Cinelli's are wonderful, but with the recent years they aren't as worth it compared to other bikes. They especially shined pre-columbus steel, but even after their bikes were pretty solid.
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
I have the XCR. It's not made by Cinelli, but contracted out to Cicli Barco.
XCR FRAMES | ciclibarco
Cicli Barco makes their frames in Italy so technically the Cinelli XCR is made in Italy.
Yes, my Barco XCr. a lot nicer than Cinelli and far cheaper.

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