Arabesque on a vintage Raleigh.
12-31-22, 07:46 PM
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Arabesque on a vintage Raleigh.
Not trying to flood the forum with my latest acquisition but would I get burned at the stake if I put Shimano 600 Arabesque on a '72 Raleigh Competition? I have the full group in nice condition I salvaged off a wrecked bike. They were destined for a '76 Super Course but I think they would look better on the Competition. Keep in mind it originally came with Simplex Prestige......... 
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Approved! Proceed!
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12-31-22, 08:58 PM
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What is the rear hanger set up for? I saw that the dropouts were Zeus but couldn't make out any more detail than that. Is the hanger tapped and tabbed for in the Campy pattern, or is it unthreaded for Simplex?
Personally, I associate Shimano 600 with bikes from the eighties and would try and keep this rare beauty all European. On the other hand, I wouldn't put Simplex Prestige on, even if it was original to the bike, if you plan to ride it much. Old plastic is hard to trust.
Personally, I associate Shimano 600 with bikes from the eighties and would try and keep this rare beauty all European. On the other hand, I wouldn't put Simplex Prestige on, even if it was original to the bike, if you plan to ride it much. Old plastic is hard to trust.
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Arabesque has a vintage classy look and will look great. Also I believe it came out in78 or 79 so correct decade.
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Arabesque but pics when it is done
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12-31-22, 09:12 PM
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If it is French - Huret
If it is English - Campagnolo
If it is English - Campagnolo
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What is the rear hanger set up for? I saw that the dropouts were Zeus but couldn't make out any more detail than that. Is the hanger tapped and tabbed for in the Campy pattern, or is it unthreaded for Simplex?
Personally, I associate Shimano 600 with bikes from the eighties and would try and keep this rare beauty all European. On the other hand, I wouldn't put Simplex Prestige on, even if it was original to the bike, if you plan to ride it much. Old plastic is hard to trust.
Personally, I associate Shimano 600 with bikes from the eighties and would try and keep this rare beauty all European. On the other hand, I wouldn't put Simplex Prestige on, even if it was original to the bike, if you plan to ride it much. Old plastic is hard to trust.
Thanks, I'd have realized the hanger issue eventually but probably not soon enough LOL.
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It may be Simplex, Raleigh used Simplex Prestige pretty far up the line back then but the '72 Competitons aren't in their catalog. My '73 Competiton was Huret before a previous owner cut it off. It's now Campagnolo. 
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Full group you say? The only slight aesthetic issue to my eyes will be the frames naked center pull brake bridge when you put 600 side pulls on it. Not really a big deal though, I do like the look of early 600 EX. Do you have the original 600 lever hoods to put on there too?
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Arabesque is early 80s, I think. Shimano 600 entered late 70s I think.
Early Superbe isn’t too far either
https://velobase.com/ViewGroup.aspx?GroupID=21baaf2b-dcf3-4983-a803-da521f81efc2
Arabesque is early 80s, I think. Shimano 600 entered late 70s I think.
Early Superbe isn’t too far either
https://velobase.com/ViewGroup.aspx?GroupID=21baaf2b-dcf3-4983-a803-da521f81efc2
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Full group you say? The only slight aesthetic issue to my eyes will be the frames naked center pull brake bridge when you put 600 side pulls on it. Not really a big deal though, I do like the look of early 600 EX. Do you have the original 600 lever hoods to put on there too?
Superbe would be superb (Sorry, I just HAD too!) but I'm trying to use what I have on hand and the only Superbe I have has a home.
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Just pulled up my pics of the donor bike, I forgot the RD is a claw mount. Not puttng a claw mount on a Competition.
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I like Arabesque. I have a nice set on my Geoffery Butler.
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Went out a little bit ago to verify the derailleur hanger is a Simplex and my assumption was incorrect......... it's a Campy! I'll need a bolt on RD unles I can convert mine from a claw mount and I'll probably run Weinmann 999 calipers since there's nothing really ornate on the Shimano caliper but.......
I'll need a bolt on RD unles I can convert mine from a claw mount and I'll probably run Weinmann 999 calipers since there's nothing really ornate on the Shimano caliper but.......
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Went out a little bit ago to verify the derailleur hanger is a Simplex and my assumption was incorrect......... it's a Campy! I'll need a bolt on RD unles I can convert mine from a claw mount and I'll probably run Weinmann 999 calipers since there's nothing ornate but.......
I'll need a bolt on RD unles I can convert mine from a claw mount and I'll probably run Weinmann 999 calipers since there's nothing ornate but.......
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Simplex rear derailleurs do not require either the threaded mounting hole or the stop, but have no problems mounting on such dropouts. Shimano rear derailleurs require the threaded hole, and should have no problems on the Zeus dropouts.
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01-01-23, 09:43 AM
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IIRC both the Shimano 600, and Crane were 10mm bolt on, with removable claw to mount directly.
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Just measured the original zinc plated steel seatpost and it is a 27.2mm. I just happen to have a 27.2 3ttt Criterium fluted seatpost, I bought it for the '73 but it takes a 27.0. It should be JUST long enough.
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Arabesque is mid to late 70's IIRC but you bring up a good point, the hanger is probably Simplex so that complicates things for using the Arabesque............ I'll check in the morning but I just remembered I have a really nice Shimano Crane RD (1st Gen Dura Ace), an early 70's Dura Ace FD and a set of NOS Dura Ace center pull brake calipers! The Crane will work on the Simplex hanger by just tapping it to 10mm which still allows a return to Simplex later on, The Crane doesn't require the step for a B screw. Vintage Dura Ace should be worthy enough. I'm already fighting the "all European" battle on my '73 Competition. I need a break LOL, I can live with Japanese components on the '72 for awhile.
Thanks, I'd have realized the hanger issue eventually but probably not soon enough LOL.
Thanks, I'd have realized the hanger issue eventually but probably not soon enough LOL.
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Arabesque is kind of like mac and cheese - old timey and goes with everything.
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Absolutely. It'll be unique. Bonus points if you fill the flutes and details to match the frame or contrasting panels.
Suggestion: Given the centerpull hanger built into the Competition frame, how about one slight component substitution and fitting Shimano 500/600 centerpull brakes? With matching infill, those centerpulls will look right at home with Arabesque.
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Suggestion: Given the centerpull hanger built into the Competition frame, how about one slight component substitution and fitting Shimano 500/600 centerpull brakes? With matching infill, those centerpulls will look right at home with Arabesque.
-Kurt
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Absolutely. It'll be unique. Bonus points if you fill the flutes and details to match the frame or contrasting panels.
Suggestion: Given the centerpull hanger built into the Competition frame, how about one slight component substitution and fitting Shimano 500/600 centerpull brakes? With matching infill, those centerpulls will look right at home with Arabesque.
-Kurt
Suggestion: Given the centerpull hanger built into the Competition frame, how about one slight component substitution and fitting Shimano 500/600 centerpull brakes? With matching infill, those centerpulls will look right at home with Arabesque.
-Kurt
I got the bike license sticker off and shined up a couple spots, this may clean up a lot better than I thought it was going to.
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