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Recovery Drinks for Endurance Riders

Old 09-14-22, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
You ain't gittin The Botanist out of a dumpster.
Not even in The Better Part Of Town?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Stack not blown, dude.
Well, you did describe it as a "rant," and used some ALL CAPS stuff:

Jesus, people! "Data" is the PLURAL!!! "The data ARE out there"..."the data DON'T support the argument."
If you're going to waste time arguing about personal preferences as if they're empirically derived, you could at least do it grammatically.

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And it's not that you're being pedantic. It's that you're being WRONG.
Umm...no.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Well, you did describe it as a "rant," and used some ALL CAPS stuff:

Jesus, people! "Data" is the PLURAL!!! "The data ARE out there"..."the data DON'T support the argument."
If you're going to waste time arguing about personal preferences as if they're empirically derived, you could at least do it grammatically.

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This is what you get when dealing with people who have no sense of humor.

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Umm...no.
Ummm...yes. Because he corrected your mistake, pointing out he meant 2.5 miles of distance, not ascent, but you're still banging on as if that never happened. And while this is so much fun, I think I'll save my energy for riding. Maybe I'll do another ride like last night, where I did 115,262 feet with 0.19 miles.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
But again, we use miles as the unit for distance and feet as the unit for climbing.
We do?

People use units that convey what they want to convey. If someone thinks that "I did 2 miles of climbing" gets the point across better than "I did 10,000 feet of climbing," they have license to do so. Along the same lines, I know that I've occasionally referred to power output in terms of horse power rather than watts.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Not even in The Better Part Of Town?
Well, you might as it's a pretty cheap gin, but it's just not that well known.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
We do?

People use units that convey what they want to convey. If someone thinks that "I did 2 miles of climbing" gets the point across better than "I did 10,000 feet of climbing," they have license to do so. Along the same lines, I know that I've occasionally referred to power output in terms of horse power rather than watts.
As a general rule, yes. YOU knew he didn't mean 13,200 vertical feet of ascent per lap, didn't you? And you knew that because he put it in miles, which is the unit we commonly use for distance, rather than feet, which we commonly use for altitude gain. Note that even pilots, who ascend literal miles speak in terms of feet of ascent, not miles.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
So, if I said, "Old La Honda is a 3 mile climb", you'd think it was 15,000 feet, not 3 miles of distance?

Seriously?
No. If you said, "OLH is a 3 mile climb," I'd assume that it's a climb over the course of 3 miles, but if you were to say, "OLH is 3 miles of climbing," I would assume that you don't know what you're talking about because there aren't any ascents that yuge.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
Well, you might as it's a pretty cheap gin, but it's just not that well known.
Depends on your frame of reference, or perhaps the depth of your pockets.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
No. If you said, "OLH is a 3 mile climb," I'd assume that it's a climb over the course of 3 miles, but if you were to say, "OLH is 3 miles of climbing," I would assume that you don't know what you're talking about because there aren't any ascents that yuge.
Except you already admitted you interpreted 2.5 miles of climbing as distance, not altitude gain.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
As a general rule, yes. YOU knew he didn't mean 13,200 vertical feet of ascent per lap, didn't you? And you knew that because he put it in miles, which is the unit we commonly use for distance, rather than feet, which we commonly use for altitude gain. Note that even pilots, who ascend literal miles speak in terms of feet of ascent, not miles.
I covered this: I assumed that he didn't mean 13.200' gain because I assumed that he didn't know what he was talking about.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Except you already admitted you interpreted 2.5 miles of climbing as distance, not altitude gain.
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I covered this: I assumed that he didn't mean 13.200' gain because I assumed that he didn't know what he was talking about.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
No. If you said, "OLH is a 3 mile climb," I'd assume that it's a climb over the course of 3 miles, but if you were to say, "OLH is 3 miles of climbing," I would assume that you don't know what you're talking about because there aren't any ascents that yuge.
And this is the other point that genejockey is missing: the poster has cited his riding stats as a fallacious appeal to authority in a couple threads...And he doesn't even know how cyclists measure climbing. That needs to be called out, and I don't give a **** if gene thinks I'm humorless. I mean, it's not like I throw a rant when people treat the word 'data' as a singular, or something else that doesn't actually impede communication.
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I tried to follow the last series of posts, it seems I confused things. Sorry.

I just did my interval day. 110 feet of climbing per mile. IF was 1.04 for the whole ride. What is weird? My average HR was only 120 BPM and at the end of every set, it would go right down to 70-80 bpm. I know that is very good to to see. I drank two German Weizen last night. I am so confused.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Depends on your frame of reference, or perhaps the depth of your pockets.
It's only about $35 per bottle. That's on the cheap end of liquors.
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Originally Posted by Ghazmh
McCallen 15.
Macallan?
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
It's only about $35 per bottle. That's on the cheap end of liquors.
This is why we often use Median, rather than Mean, in determining "average" - because a small number of very high values can skew Mean in a way that doesn't affect Median.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
But again, we use miles as the unit for distance and feet as the unit for climbing.
Not all of us. I climbed 230 miles in 2004.
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Originally Posted by ZHVelo
Macallan?
Macallan 15 would be very nice, but due to an event about 40 years ago, I can no longer drink Scotch after an endurance ride or otherwise.

This is a very nice alternative:

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Originally Posted by genejockey
This is why we often use Median, rather than Mean, in determining "average" - because a small number of very high values can skew Mean in a way that doesn't affect Median.
I didn't use mean or median. I just said it's on the cheap end of liquors. Which it is.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
I didn't use mean or median. I just said it's on the cheap end of liquors. Which it is.
Perhaps, but there are a whole hell of a lot more cheaper brands of gin than more expensive ones.
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I didn't use mean or median. I just said it's on the cheap end of liquors. Which it is.
Since we're in the Road forum, I'd say that $35 is in the liquor Sweet Spot.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Since we're in the Road forum, I'd say that $35 is in the liquor Sweet Spot.
Wait, so is $35 liquor like 105 or Ultegra? And the < $10/ bottle stuff is Claris?
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Since we're in the Road forum, I'd say that $35 is in the liquor Sweet Spot.
I don't disagree. My endurance drink is about $30/handle. $35 per fifth gets you some good stuff, but that's still relatively cheap.
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