genejockey 

I already went from the stock 245s to 255s. But note, I said TRYING TO escape.

Mojo31

Man, I’ve got 255s in front with 305s in back. Even my wife’s SUV has 195s in back. Can never have too much meat.

But, it is fun to break the booty free when you want to.

big john

That turbo lag will bite you! One thing I did learn about rear engine cars is when they break loose the car goes where the rear end goes. It's a different thing than a front engine car..

genejockey 

Don't they just go the same way they were already going, regardless?

Eric F 

The heavy end wants to go in the direction it's going. When a rear-engine car loses traction with the rear tires while cornering, it can be problematic in a hurry.

genejockey 

The physics of this is why you drive nails by holding the HANDLE of a hammer and swinging the HEAD, not the other way around.

Mojo31

No.

genejockey 

(I meant the FWD car keeps going the same way. Not the rear-engine car)

Mojo31

Applying that “logic”, you’d have to drive the rear engine car backwards.

Nonetheless, there is nothing more satisfying than tooling along at a sedate 70, hitting the gas, and feeling that big butt squat down and push.

Eric F 

The magic of the older 911s is that when you hit the brakes to slow down in the middle of a corner, you're unweighting the rear end, which reduces your traction. Then, the heavy rear end tries to swap places with the front end. Traction control technology has largely minimized this issue.

genejockey 

You don't HAVE to, but Porsche has spent A LOT reducing the relative mass of the hammerhead and/or moving that mass into the handle.

genejockey 

Yes, I remember reading an article where someone was in a fast car being followed by a Porsche he couldn't shake. His copilot said, "Just speed up a little". Sure enough, the Porsche kept right up with him until the rear end suddenly let loose.

Mojo31

Well, the first thing they did to address it was develop an all wheel drive option. Then, the developed electronic systems that maintained power to the rear even when the throttle was lifted, among other things.

But, the 911s have retained a design that puts a lot of weight on or behind the rear wheels. Their is very little weight in front even in the modern cars if you stay away from the four wheel drive versions.

The Cayman is actually a better handling car that is much easier to drive fast with its mid-engine.

Mojo31

Its pretty hard to swap ends in a modern car. Unless you turn PSM off. Only idiots do that.

Mojo31

Sounds like the P driver got asceered.

genejockey 

Consumers will never let them stop building 911s.

Eric F 

If I recall, Porsche's first all-wheel drive was the 959. Correct?

Eric F 

I recall an article from many years ago talking about how there was a plan to end production of the 911, and the President of Porsche (might have been new to the job) basically said, "No. Porsche will AWLAYS build the 911".

Mojo31

Yes, in 1986.

1998 964 C4 was the first mass produced car.

genejockey 

Idiots have access to power we never dreamed possible when I was a ute, AND they often have access to Traction Control off switches....

Mojo31

The 928 was supposed to spell the end of the 911. They will never stop making it, but it has grown and changed a lot recently. The current 992 is a pretty big car, and dwarfs the air cooled models.

Mojo31

Hence endless videos of cars spinning out leaving Cars and Coffee events.

Mojo31

Well, off to a non-vegetarian dinner at a steak house! Ciao.

Eric F 

I will be doing the same in a couple of hours. Kid is away. Date night with the wife!

genejockey 

Gazackly.