Mysterious Creaking
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Mysterious Creaking
Hey there. I'm trying to identify the source of creaking on the down stroke. The bike is a single speed Kilo TT Pro. I hear the sound mainly when getting up to speed from start.
Here's what I've done:
Any thoughts?
Here's what I've done:
- Replaced the bottom bracket. (Thought this was the problem. Found it was pitted, but now it's new and thoroughly cleaned and greased.)
- Removed and regreased the chain ring and crank bolts.
- Cleaned and lubed the chain.
- Removed and regreased the stem bolts.
- Checked the threadless headset was snung.
Any thoughts?
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Does it do it if you stand on the pedals (off saddle)? It appears you've covered everything else except for the saddle.
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e: I didn't remove and regrease the handlebar/stem bolts. But they're snug.
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What type of BB? Pressed in or threaded? Andy
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Try cleaning and greasing the pedal and crank threads and properly torqueing the pedals. Also try swapping in a known-quiet pair.
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Generally it's not best to grease the spindle taper, a finger wipe which does leave a sort of skin oil is what I was taught decades ago and have done since. Not that the greases tapers would produce a noise.
Did you apply a film of grease on the cartridge's outer surfaces that snug into the (usually) LH cup/ring?
Noises are tricky to track and can be emitted far from the source in hollow structures. I've seen wheel QR skewers making noise that riders thought were the bars or BB. So to with seat rails or post/rail clamps. Cannondale had some bikes that used a shim in the top of the seat tube that creaked when dry of lube. Specialized had tube end miters that creaked on the head tubes in the unwelded interiors.
When you finially find the source please post where it was for others to learn by. Andy
Did you apply a film of grease on the cartridge's outer surfaces that snug into the (usually) LH cup/ring?
Noises are tricky to track and can be emitted far from the source in hollow structures. I've seen wheel QR skewers making noise that riders thought were the bars or BB. So to with seat rails or post/rail clamps. Cannondale had some bikes that used a shim in the top of the seat tube that creaked when dry of lube. Specialized had tube end miters that creaked on the head tubes in the unwelded interiors.
When you finially find the source please post where it was for others to learn by. Andy
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Generally it's not best to grease the spindle taper, a finger wipe which does leave a sort of skin oil is what I was taught decades ago and have done since. Not that the greases tapers would produce a noise.
Did you apply a film of grease on the cartridge's outer surfaces that snug into the (usually) LH cup/ring?
Noises are tricky to track and can be emitted far from the source in hollow structures. I've seen wheel QR skewers making noise that riders thought were the bars or BB. So to with seat rails or post/rail clamps. Cannondale had some bikes that used a shim in the top of the seat tube that creaked when dry of lube. Specialized had tube end miters that creaked on the head tubes in the unwelded interiors.
When you finially find the source please post where it was for others to learn by. Andy
Did you apply a film of grease on the cartridge's outer surfaces that snug into the (usually) LH cup/ring?
Noises are tricky to track and can be emitted far from the source in hollow structures. I've seen wheel QR skewers making noise that riders thought were the bars or BB. So to with seat rails or post/rail clamps. Cannondale had some bikes that used a shim in the top of the seat tube that creaked when dry of lube. Specialized had tube end miters that creaked on the head tubes in the unwelded interiors.
When you finially find the source please post where it was for others to learn by. Andy
Greasing spindles is a matter of opinion. Some say it's not necessary. I've always lightly greased the spindle with an emphasis on lightly. Basically a thin film or finger wipe.
My other thought was that it could be the handlebars because I get the sound when I'm torquing the bike for acceleration. If I'm up to speed and stomp on the pedals in straight line I don't get the creak.
I'll look into greasing the BB cartridge and let the forum know if I figure it out.
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Here's my question. Who (besides the OP) only has one set of pedals???
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Well, there's your problem A joke/poke of sorts. I do hope you run actual brakes though. Andy
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Update: I believe the problem is fixed.
First attempt:
Second attempt:
e: I believe it was finally the rear wheel. Centripetal force could explain why I mostly heard the creaking when getting up to speed, but didn't hear it while cruising.
First attempt:
- Removed the pedals and dropped some Phil Wood Tenacious Lube into the visible bearings under the cap. Regreased the threads and reinstalled.
- This did not fix the problem, but the bearings were in need of lubricant anyway. Might have to repack later.
Second attempt:
- Removed and regreased the seatpost. It was dry and difficult to remove, probably from riding in all weather through winter.
- Removed and regreased the stem/handlbar bolts.
- Thinking it might have something to do with the rear wheel I double checked spoke tension by hand. No obviously loose spokes. But a few that could be tightened without taking the wheel out of true. Tightened these 1/4 turn or so by feel.
e: I believe it was finally the rear wheel. Centripetal force could explain why I mostly heard the creaking when getting up to speed, but didn't hear it while cruising.
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Spokes can (and do) notch their crossing spoke after many miles. Think of how Lincoln Logs nestle together. Increasing tension will reduce the click/tick of the two crossing spokes riding into and out of their notches. One cool way to test for this is to place a small piece of something (cut up credit card stock is real good)between the crossing and touching spokes and then go for a ride. If the noise is gone remove all the pieces and re test. Andy
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Spokes can (and do) notch their crossing spoke after many miles. Think of how Lincoln Logs nestle together. Increasing tension will reduce the click/tick of the two crossing spokes riding into and out of their notches. One cool way to test for this is to place a small piece of something (cut up credit card stock is real good)between the crossing and touching spokes and then go for a ride. If the noise is gone remove all the pieces and re test. Andy
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I had a mystery creak that was from my front QR skewer not quite tight enough. It must have been micro-moving in the fork tip when out of the saddle climbing.
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Every time I have a mystery "creak," it's always the saddle springs. That was one of the three things you mentioned might have been the issue. My money is on that one.