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Head badge says Allegro, frame details say no

Old 11-28-22, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by retyred View Post
I bought this bike years ago with the intention to restore it. Never got around to it and finally decided to pass it on. Upon closer inspection it appears to have been rebadged (?)

This bike lacks two distinctive details that every Allegro of this time period should have: the small tag with serial number brazed to the seat tube and wrap around seat stays. The serial number and what I believe to be month and year of manufacture are stamped into BB shell.

Frame has been repainted and some components have been changed. (rear derailleur, fork, and stem) Campy hubs are 'No Record' with CAM 60 lock nuts. BB shell is 68mm. Stronglight 57 crankset. Mafac 'Dural Forge' brakes. Campy 25.0 shimmed seat post.

One more bit of info. Allegro head badge, when compared to those on my other Allegros has the exact same rivets used as fasteners.

Last bit of info: a genuine Allegro from 1961 would have a serial number beginning around 167... and consisting of six digits.

So what do I have here?

Nice bike.

Could you post a picture of the brake bridge? I'm interested in how it's attached to the seat stays. I have a hunch, just want to confirm.
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Old 11-28-22, 07:43 PM
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Per your request. Only picture currently available.
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Old 11-30-22, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by retyred View Post

Per your request. Only picture currently available.


Thanks, that's great, exactly what I was looking for.



That's not an Allegro bridge. That style of brake bridge was not common on Swiss bikes. Actually, it wasn't common pretty much anywhere except in Germany.



Here's a closeup of that style of attachment on a couple of frames built by Hugo Rickert:







I don't think this mystery frame was substantially modified (or at least not modified from an Allegro to something that doesn't look like an Allegro), apart from the badge and a repaint. I agree with repechage about the head badge being a bit askew.


While there aren't many examples online that could be referenced, I think what you have here is one of Rixe's top models, which were labeled in several different ways - "Type Andre Bertin," "Super" and "SR 60," possibly depending on the market.

Rixe was a German manufacturer of all sorts of frames, mostly not high end. They did however have top-of-the-line all-Nervex racers in th 60s that must have been made in relatively small numbers as there aren't many examples still around. The only Rixe catalog for the US market has the top model labeled 'SR 60'.

There's little reliable info on whether Rixe made these Nervex frames on premises or if they were contracted out. I've read in a couple of places that they supposedly did build on premises, but I could also see someone like Hugo Rickert contract-building for them.



Here is a 'Type Andre Bertin':





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Here is a frame that was rebadged at some point with generic 'Sport' badge and decals. It popped up on rennrad-news.de a number of years ago but was never identified. The Olympic rings and 'Super de Luxe' decals are from Le Taureau frames (a label of a company from Stuttgart), most of which (during this period) were made by Hugo Rickert:










BTW, as far as I know, there hasn't been any connection between Bertin and Rixe, so 'Type Andre Bertin' was probably just a sales gimmick.
Also, early on the Andre Bertin decals were used on the top end models, but over the years they got applied to models lower and lower end of the Rixe range.
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Here's another one that wasn't clearly identified when posted online, but fits in the Super/SR 60 category:

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He just keeps hittin' the best pitches from the staff's ace clear out the stadium as though they were battin' practice!

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Old 11-30-22, 11:27 AM
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OMG, another textbook study in "how to be a bicycle sleuth"!
We are humbled and impressed by @MauriceMoss, yet again!
Who would have thought to home in on a brake bridge? MM, that's who!
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Thank you, MauriceMoss , because this one was driving me NUTS. The non-Fischer sand-cast BB and the pinned/peened/dimpled chainstay sockets, coupled with the serial number location and the serial number itself all pointed away from Allegro.

From what I gathered during my Allegro sleuthing phase was that they standardized on the seat tube lozenge before WWII - if the dates given for certain bikes are reasonably accurate. This one, for instance, allegedly has the lozenge.

If you're really bored, or have info you can add, I started assembling an Allegro database a while back ...
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