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Old 10-02-22, 05:57 PM
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Rack for 20" folding bike with wheels

Hi,

Does anybody know where I can find a rear rack for Birdy or Bike Friday that has wheels so I can roll the bike when folded? Most racks for Brompton's are too small.

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Originally Posted by cplager View Post
Hi,

Does anybody know where I can find a rear rack for Birdy or Bike Friday that has wheels so I can roll the bike when folded? Most racks for Brompton's are too small.

Thanks,
Charles

Paul from Origami Bikes might be somebody worth asking. He's currently developing a wheeled rack for his company's upcoming soon to be released 20" Swift folder. The rack will be specially designed for the Origami Swift, but it'll possibly work with a Birdy or a Bike Friday as well. Worth enquiring.

https://www.bikeforums.net/folding-b...n-classic.html
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Originally Posted by joey buzzard View Post
Paul from Origami Bikes might be somebody worth asking. He's currently developing a wheeled rack for his company's upcoming soon to be released 20" Swift folder. The rack will be specially designed for the Origami Swift, but it'll possibly work with a Birdy or a Bike Friday as well. Worth enquiring.

https://www.bikeforums.net/folding-b...n-classic.html
we are still working on it. I may have photos this week.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis View Post
we are still working on it. I may have photos this week.
Please do post on this thread when you do (even if you just post a link to another thread). Thanks!

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https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801565585320.html

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803046026261.html
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Both of these look to be the right size, but neither of these has wheels nor any easy way to add them (unless I am missing something).
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Originally Posted by cplager View Post
Both of these look to be the right size, but neither of these has wheels nor any easy way to add them (unless I am missing something).
This is from Tern, but it's too expensive IMO:https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/acce...transit-rack-m
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This is from Tern, but it's too expensive IMO:https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/acce...transit-rack-m
Agreed.

I'm hoping I can find something to use with a Bike Friday when the real wheel is folded 180 degrees (like Brompton does).
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Originally Posted by cplager View Post
Hi,

Does anybody know where I can find a rear rack for Birdy or Bike Friday that has wheels so I can roll the bike when folded? Most racks for Brompton's are too small.

Thanks,
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Birdy racks are proprietary ones and afaik are different for Birdy Mk 3, 2. Iím not sure Birdy rear rack will fit other bikes as the one I have on my R&M Birdy Mk 3 Touring is designed to collapse once bike is folded. You can see this rack in this review, wheels are mounted at the end of this rack. If thatís what you are looking for you can order them from R&M dealers. There are other options on Aliexpress from other manufacturers but I have no experience with them.
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Birdy racks are proprietary ones and afaik are different for Birdy Mk 3, 2. Iím not sure Birdy rear rack will fit other bikes as the one I have on my R&M Birdy Mk 3 Touring is designed to collapse once bike is folded. You can see this rack in this review, wheels are mounted at the end of this rack. If thatís what you are looking for you can order them from R&M dealers. There are other options on Aliexpress from other manufacturers but I have no experience with them.
Thanks. I think you're right that a Birdy rack would not work for a Bike Friday.

I see various racks on Aliexpress, but as far as I can tell, all of them are sized to fit Brompton's smaller wheels.
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Maybe itís a stupid question but did you ask Bike Friday? Racks with wheels would normally be designed for a certain bike model. Or look for something like this
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Maybe itís a stupid question but did you ask Bike Friday? Racks with wheels would normally be designed for a certain bike model. Or look for something like this
Not a stupid question. No, I have not asked Bike Friday.

That definitely looks like a possibility. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by cplager View Post
Please do post on this thread when you do (even if you just post a link to another thread). Thanks!

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We made our first attempt, but we have shipped it off to a company that specializes in racks to get them to tweak the design, and then produce it for us.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis View Post
We made our first attempt, but we have shipped it off to a company that specializes in racks to get them to tweak the design, and then produce it for us.
Please post pictures as soon as you can. Thanks!
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Here is our latest effort.



Tip the back back to roll it on the trolly wheels
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Here is our latest effort.
No triangulation? Floppy structure?
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No triangulation? Floppy structure?
We are trying to get the geometry right first. We will be adding a side structure for rigidity and mounting of panniers.
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No triangulation? Floppy structure?
I don't understand this criticism. It is not a perfect triangle, yes, but for a functional reason and most racks are like this. In the other direction, few racks are triangulated, Brompton, may be an exception.
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I don't understand this criticism. It is not a perfect triangle, yes, but for a functional reason and most racks are like this. In the other direction, few racks are triangulated, Brompton, may be an exception.
What?! it is a valid engineering criticism. I am not sure I have a rack that is not triangulated - I seem to bypass those that are not. You seem to be dismissing the history of frame construction (scaffolding, Eiffel Tower, bridges) and these days even of molecular design.

What is triangulation and why is it used in frame structures?

Examples of Triangulation

The design of Frame Structures: Triangulation

P.S. Moreover here the rack is supposed to support the bike and this just on its edge.

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What?! it is a valid engineering criticism. I am not sure I have a rack that is not triangulated - I seem to bypass those that are not. You seem to be dismissing the history of frame construction (scaffolding, Eiffel Tower, bridges) and these days even of molecular design.
First off, I said it is not a perfect triangle. Many racks are not. Many have adjustable rods to connect to the chain stays that look a lot like Pinigis's. When I first read your comment, I did not know which plane of the rack you meant. I think it likely that you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

BTW, I did not mean to criticize you. I very much respect you and your opinions. I just wanted to understand your comment.
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta View Post
BTW, I did not mean to criticize you. I very much respect you and your opinions. I just wanted to understand your comment.
No offense and you are very welcome to criticize - it should be a discussion and I may stumble beyond the limits of my expertise.

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First off, I said it is not a perfect triangle. Many racks are not. Many have adjustable rods to connect to the chain stays that look a lot like Pinigis's. When I first read your comment, I did not know which plane of the rack you meant. I think it likely that you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
The photos indeed show principally only one projection, but is evident that the stays supporting the rear edge of the rack stick out on their own and the edge is susceptible to swings to the side. In addition, these stays may buckle out, if the bike is tipped over so that it rests just on that edge. In any case, Pinigis stated that this is only a transient form, presumably not worthy yet of investments into greater stability.
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Originally Posted by 2_i View Post
What?! it is a valid engineering criticism. I am not sure I have a rack that is not triangulated - I seem to bypass those that are not. You seem to be dismissing the history of frame construction (scaffolding, Eiffel Tower, bridges) and these days even of molecular design.
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I am a retired engineer, and have lots of miles of bike touring with heavy loads on a bike. It is my professional engineering opinion that sometimes all you need is a light duty rack.

I usually tour with a Tubus Logo EVO rear rack on my medium or heavy duty touring bike, extremely stiff and robust. On my light duty touring bike I tour with a Racktime Addit rack, also very stiff and a weight capacity that although is less than the Logo is still more than adequate for my needs.

But both of those racks are in storage right now because for riding around near home I am looking for a wider platform and do not need the weight capacity of those touring capable racks.

Two photos of part of my light duty touring bike, the first photo is with the Racktime Addit rack that I use for loaded touring with my camping gear.




Second photo, this is the rack I use for riding around home. It serves my needs very well for that purpose. Occasionally used with one or two shopping panniers, but often just used with a rack top bag, it is more than adequate.




The prototype rack cited above on the folding bike might not be built for heavy duty touring, but perhaps it is sufficient for most needs of potential customers?
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN View Post
I am a retired engineer, and have lots of miles of bike touring with heavy loads on a bike. It is my professional engineering opinion that sometimes all you need is a light duty rack.

The prototype rack cited above on the folding bike might not be built for heavy duty touring, but perhaps it is sufficient for most needs of potential customers?
Agreed that for light enough loads, you do not need to overly complicate. I tend to build up so that I later do need to look back. (I may throw 18kg just to go to work and this for a backpack on top of the rack.) Correspondingly, I tend to go with Tubus or Old Man Mountain. The Tubus, you give as example, has the structural rigidity built in. Most corners are widely rounded. The stays are at angles to each other irrespective of projection and these angles are fixed.

The particular rack, discussed earlier, was to carry the folded bike while rolling. According to a parallel thread the project was abandoned due to insufficient stability, not clear whether the structural stability discussed here, or just geometry.
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