Anyone else keeping their rim brake frames ?
01-07-23, 12:38 PM
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I don't see anybody here preaching that we should abandon disc brakes and go back to rim brakes because rim brakes are better than disc brakes. Several posters have made it very clear that rim brakes work great for them and there is no good reason to get rid of them. That's all that was said.
Disk brakes are ugly, inelegant, heavy, and by many accounts a PITA to deal with, in terms of maintenance, installation, etc. In my admittedly limited experience, they provide little modulation, and are basically an "ON/OFF" proposition. I can stop my bike using single fingers on the levers, so I have plenty of stopping power available. Do disk brakes stop good in wet conditions? Sure. But I don't ride in wet conditions. I have a road racing bike--so for me, what other benefit to them is there?
We'll see what happens to them when everything old becomes new again. Vinyl records, anyone?
We'll see what happens to them when everything old becomes new again. Vinyl records, anyone?
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01-07-23, 02:28 PM
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About once a year I drop into my local high-end shop. Yesterday the shop was completely dead - just me and 6 worried looking staffers. So they ask: what type of what type of bike are you looking for? "A road bike for riding with my pals." What is your budget? "15". Hundred? "No thousand" That got their attention.
So they show me their high-end line. All hydro discs and all aero, and all fat tires. Of course, all internal routing right from the bars and through the headset.
Every bike is heavier than 3 of my current road bikes. I don't do hydraulics, and I only buy what I work on. Plus the PITA internal routing, which means 3 hours and $300 of shop time if I want to swap out a stem. Add to this the bizarro proprietary bottom bracket which means I probably won't be able to fit my current nice crankset.
Aero? I spend almost all of my time drafting the big guys. The critical performance need is low weight, so you don't get popped off of the back out of corners or on the hills.
Final deal breaker: I don't want to show up at the start of the ride with discs to have my older and smarter pals ask sarcastically: "Are we going mountain biking?"
So they show me their high-end line. All hydro discs and all aero, and all fat tires. Of course, all internal routing right from the bars and through the headset.
Every bike is heavier than 3 of my current road bikes. I don't do hydraulics, and I only buy what I work on. Plus the PITA internal routing, which means 3 hours and $300 of shop time if I want to swap out a stem. Add to this the bizarro proprietary bottom bracket which means I probably won't be able to fit my current nice crankset.
Aero? I spend almost all of my time drafting the big guys. The critical performance need is low weight, so you don't get popped off of the back out of corners or on the hills.
Final deal breaker: I don't want to show up at the start of the ride with discs to have my older and smarter pals ask sarcastically: "Are we going mountain biking?"
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01-07-23, 02:33 PM
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Well, at least with dork discs you didn't have to spend an hour removing pads, sanding rotors and degreasing everything every time you accidentally touched your rotors with greasy paws.
My pal is currently going through hell trying to figure out how to stop the squeal on his discs, and actually get as much stopping power as he had on rim brakes. Day three and counting.
My pal is currently going through hell trying to figure out how to stop the squeal on his discs, and actually get as much stopping power as he had on rim brakes. Day three and counting.
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I offer the following pair of quotes without comment:
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Well, at least with dork discs you didn't have to spend an hour removing pads, sanding rotors and degreasing everything every time you accidentally touched your rotors with greasy paws.
My pal is currently going through hell trying to figure out how to stop the squeal on his discs, and actually get as much stopping power as he had on rim brakes. Day three and counting.
My pal is currently going through hell trying to figure out how to stop the squeal on his discs, and actually get as much stopping power as he had on rim brakes. Day three and counting.
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01-07-23, 03:02 PM
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I can see advantages to through-axles; I can also disadvantages. I can see advantages to disc brakes when the rims are moist. Space and budgetary limitations are, however, major impediments to upgrading the bike technology I use. Even when I was young and able to stick with the fast group, my current bike (frame constructed in 1973) was good enough and better than I need. Besides, my bike fits my proportions in ways that current model bikes don't, so I can't see anything close to a positive cost-benefit payoff in buying a new bike.
Besides, I'd much rather ride than shop.
Besides, I'd much rather ride than shop.
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Seems like your friend needs help.
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01-07-23, 03:58 PM
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(s)he strictly follows : anything that has moving parts, rubbing surfaces or creaks on a bike SHOULD be greased up to keep it quiet.
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It's the nature of disc brakes to squeal when wet. Almost impossible to eliminate the noise....It's strange that my disc brakes always squeal when wet, but my rim brakes are quiet.
01-07-23, 04:13 PM
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Only one day and 9 hours and this thread has 163 replies. Nothing is as polarizing as rim brakes vs. disc brakes..........not even chain lube.
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No reason it should be polarizing.
I ride vintage bikes and disc brakes are not in my future. Like most innovations of the last 30 years they are objectively better, but they wouldn't really improve my experience.
A lot of noise on this forum, but I've never encountered another rider in real life who cared. They appreciate my bike as a vintage bike and I appreciate theirs as a modern machine.
I ride vintage bikes and disc brakes are not in my future. Like most innovations of the last 30 years they are objectively better, but they wouldn't really improve my experience.
A lot of noise on this forum, but I've never encountered another rider in real life who cared. They appreciate my bike as a vintage bike and I appreciate theirs as a modern machine.
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No reason it should be polarizing.
I ride vintage bikes and disc brakes are not in my future. Like most innovations of the last 30 years they are objectively better, but they wouldn't really improve my experience.
A lot of noise on this forum, but I've never encountered another rider in real life who cared. They appreciate my bike as a vintage bike and I appreciate theirs as a modern machine.
I ride vintage bikes and disc brakes are not in my future. Like most innovations of the last 30 years they are objectively better, but they wouldn't really improve my experience.
A lot of noise on this forum, but I've never encountered another rider in real life who cared. They appreciate my bike as a vintage bike and I appreciate theirs as a modern machine.
01-07-23, 04:40 PM
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You posted this absurd claim twice now, and the second time was even after being clearly called out for making the claim.
Don't post completely incorrect stuff - new people stumble on this thread, read your crazy ramble, and think there is validity to it.
01-07-23, 04:43 PM
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The quote goes back almost 100 years. I was incorrect about the balancing of the bike. With so much gear on the right side only, if anything, the disc-brake system helps to correct this weight-distribution problem. I shouldn't post early in the morning. I don't mind admitting when I am wrong.
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No reason it should be polarizing.
I ride vintage bikes and disc brakes are not in my future. Like most innovations of the last 30 years they are objectively better, but they wouldn't really improve my experience.
A lot of noise on this forum, but I've never encountered another rider in real life who cared. They appreciate my bike as a vintage bike and I appreciate theirs as a modern machine.
I ride vintage bikes and disc brakes are not in my future. Like most innovations of the last 30 years they are objectively better, but they wouldn't really improve my experience.
A lot of noise on this forum, but I've never encountered another rider in real life who cared. They appreciate my bike as a vintage bike and I appreciate theirs as a modern machine.
01-07-23, 05:16 PM
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It's obvious that you are new around here and have not participated in or read threads about pedals, frame material, tubeless vs tubed tires, sock color and length, leg shaving. valve stem caps, serious cyclist vs cyclist vs bike rider and many others. Almost every topic discussed here is polarizing and will create a serious debate and arguments.
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