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Old 01-12-23, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
I wish we could go back to album-oriented '70s rock on the radio that was part of the collective conscious, $0.60 gallon gas, and $100 Sears department store bike boom road bikes that lasted forever.
You would also have to go back to the wages you could make back then, dirty air and water, not to mention 50 year old medical technology.
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Old 01-12-23, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by prj71
He's not wrong. I see it happen often in public settings when bikers get together.
They’re just laughing at your jersey’s dick pouch.
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Old 01-12-23, 08:11 PM
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All that classic AOR stuff got played to death when I was a teenager in the 70s. If I never hear another Boston or Steely Dan song for the rest of my life, it'll be too soon.
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Old 01-12-23, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
All that classic AOR stuff got played to death when I was a teenager in the 70s. If I never hear another Boston or Steely Dan song for the rest of my life, it'll be too soon.
I largely agree, but Aja has aged very nicely.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
I largely agree, but Aja has aged very nicely.
Oh lord. I probably hate that one more than any other. When "Peg" comes on, I can't turn that yacht rock off fast enough.
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You and that wolf kid ... Are you guys a pair of socks or are you having some kind of mutual hallucination?
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Old 01-12-23, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lombard
You would also have to go back to the wages you could make back then, dirty air and water, not to mention 50 year old medical technology.
... and homes people could afford.

Deal.
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Old 01-12-23, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
The troll has achieved six pages and counting.
...eventually you need to ask yourself, who is at fault for this ?
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Old 01-12-23, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Aja has aged very nicely.
And Can't Buy a Thrill, Katie Lied, Countdown to Ecstasy, Pretzel Logic, Royal Scam and Gaucho.
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Old 01-12-23, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Oh lord. I probably hate that one more than any other. When "Peg" comes on, I can't turn that yacht rock off fast enough.
Yeah, that track has been played a lot. But the album is deep.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Oh lord. I probably hate that one more than any other. When "Peg" comes on, I can't turn that yacht rock off fast enough.
As I type this I'm listening to yacht rock on the app and Peg is on. LOL I'm not kidding.
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Old 01-12-23, 08:50 PM
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I got a chance to hear my 18 year old son’s “music:” the amount of f**ks, p***y” and b****h was sort of overwhelming. I didn’t say a thing. There was no tune I could hum. He’s an adult who plays classical piano.

Perhaps our resident music teachers can help people like me accept this as “music.”
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Originally Posted by smd4
I got a chance to hear my 18 year old son’s “music:” the amount of f**ks, p***y” and b****h was sort of overwhelming. I didn’t say a thing. There was no tune I could hum. He’s an adult who plays classical piano. Perhaps our resident music teachers can help people like me accept this as “music.”
If his music offends his dad, it's doing its job. The kids are alright.
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Old 01-12-23, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
If his music offends his dad, it's doing its job. The kids are alright.
But I don’t act offended. What then?
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Old 01-12-23, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
But I don’t act offended. What then?
Then you're an actor. Seems like if you really wanted to "accept" his music, you'd talk about it with him.
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Old 01-12-23, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Then you're an actor. Seems like if you really wanted to "accept" his music, you'd talk about it with him.
what’s to talk about, Dr. Huxtable?
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Old 01-12-23, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
what’s to talk about, Dr. Huxtable?
Try to keep up, Corky. You want someone to "help people like me accept this as music," so ask him to explain it.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
If his music offends his dad, it's doing its job. The kids are alright.
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Old 01-12-23, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by prj71
He's not wrong. I see it happen often in public settings when bikers get together.
A huberistic and ignorant person once said...
None of this is true.
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Old 01-12-23, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
My daughter (currently 18yo) and I spent a LOT of time over a lot of years in the car together traveling for her softball events. I made the conscious decision to be open to the kind of music she was into. Some I didn't like, and some I was indifferent to, but there is a lot that really enjoy. Likewise, I introduced my daughter to music that I like (old and new). Her reactions were the same. In my mid-50's, I'm still finding new music that excites me, including entire genres that I didn't really enjoy very much in the past. There is some stuff that I strongly dislike, but that's the thing about music. There is something for everyone!
You'll be thrilled to know that when I ask my middle school students which "pops" tunes they want to play, I hear Beatles, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, etc. in addition to 21 Pilots, Imagine Dragons, and the rest of the new stuff. Varied eras, which tells me their parents are introducing them to some stuff and they are listening. They're currently loving a Neal Hefti tune I gave them, and I think they're starting to enjoy Chameleon now that they got the rhythm grooving.

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...bikers...
That says enough right there.
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Old 01-12-23, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
All that classic AOR stuff got played to death when I was a teenager in the 70s. If I never hear another Boston or Steely Dan song for the rest of my life, it'll be too soon.
Originally Posted by Koyote
I largely agree, but Aja has aged very nicely.
The current trend in my band room, thanks to some YouTuber who calls himself "Sexy Sax Man", is for my sax players to learn the solo from Careless Whisper and gyrate while playing it over and over again until I start rehearsal. They even teach it to the younger students at lunch time so I can be sure the trend continue next year, and the next, and the next.

Originally Posted by smd4
Perhaps our resident music teachers can help people like me accept this as “music.”
The best definition of "music" that I have found is: sound organized in time. That in no way implies that you have to like or even appreciate it. To branch out a little bit, an art professor once told a friend of mine that art is a conversation which you may or may not be a part of.

I could pontificate for hours on why they like listening to four letter word after four letter word with tons of shouting and very little (if any) melody, but that would just be my personal observations. It speaks to them, and they feel something when listening to it.

I once heard a 40 piece banjo band at a jazz festival. Hated it. It's still music, but I turned and walked away.
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Old 01-13-23, 01:05 AM
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Not to get back on the original topic or anything, but, rydabent ... if you really want to advance the cause for recumbent cycling, you might want to think about actually going out and riding the things where other people can see you and ask questions about your particular cycle or about 'bents in general--as opposed to sitting at the computer and starting contentious topic threads.
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Originally Posted by seypat
He might not be that far off. I'd have to check the prices, but if a person has to have:

Carbon frame, Ti or modern steel
Disc brakes
Ultegra level or above and or electronic shifting

How much does that add up to? On top of that, most don't like the stock wheelsets, so they get an upgrade there. Add all that up and 5k could be close. I'm not saying it is, but it could be.
You don't need that stuff to be a "cyclist" which is the point being rightly pooh-poohed.

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The general tones of the threads in the road section, this thread and particularly the keeping my rim brake thread is that you do need/have to have the things I mentioned to be taken seriously. Will 5k even get you those things in one purchase?
"General Tone"? Nonsense. I read the hell out of that forum and this one and have never gotten that impression.

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Originally Posted by smd4
I got a chance to hear my 18 year old son’s “music:” the amount of f**ks, p***y” and b****h was sort of overwhelming. I didn’t say a thing. There was no tune I could hum. He’s an adult who plays classical piano.

Perhaps our resident music teachers can help people like me accept this as “music.”
Sometimes i wonder if people who hate the current young generation's music realize what a cliche it is. My parents thought our music was *****, as did their parents. Just get over it. Every generation has it's own musical taste, and that's the way it should be. Thank goodness popular music has evolved since the 40s. There is some Big Band music I like, but I like contemporary music more
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Old 01-13-23, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
You'll be thrilled to know that when I ask my middle school students which "pops" tunes they want to play, I hear Beatles, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, etc. in addition to 21 Pilots, Imagine Dragons, and the rest of the new stuff. Varied eras, which tells me their parents are introducing them to some stuff and they are listening. They're currently loving a Neal Hefti tune I gave them, and I think they're starting to enjoy Chameleon now that they got the rhythm grooving.


That says enough right there.
I see the same kind of thing. But I wonder if the introduction to older music is more likely coming from the music streaming apps. My 13 year old daughter listens to a vast range of music simply because of Spotify. She listens to all kinds of stuff from auto-generated playlists etc. I think it's awesome.

The other day she heard our elderly neighbour listening to the radio and asked if that's how all old people listen to music? I had to laugh.
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