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Old 01-13-23, 09:44 PM
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1970 Cinelli SC N+1

The latest addition is an Iconic 1970 Cinelli Supercorsa. PO had the frame refinished 10 years ago, and as usual I go with a period build with Campy, Cinelli, Fiamme, Regina. I won't get to ride it till the roads clean up in the spring.






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What a beauty... nice job with the build!

Mind if I ask what size tubulars you mounted?
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Gorgeous bike, as always with your collection!
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Fantastic, absolutely beautiful.
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Old 01-14-23, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by panzerwagon View Post
What a beauty... nice job with the build!

Mind if I ask what size tubulars you mounted?
Thank you. The tires are Veloflex Vlaanderens, which measure about 27/28mm.
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Old 01-14-23, 10:10 AM
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Smokin NICE!
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That's quite lovely, Andy. Nice work.
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I guess it's okay. If you like that sort of thing, that is.



Oh, who am I kidding? It's beautiful. I bet it rides great, too.
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Please take this as a caution, rather than a criticism. Most vintage hubs are not designed for radial spoking. (I broke a Shimano hub across three flange holes a couple of years after I radially spoked it.)

Other than that, the bike is indeed a stunner, and nicely equipped.

If I am doing my tooth jump counting properly, that looks like a 3-3-4-4 increment pattern in back, consistent with the very common 14-17-20-24-28. I couldn't get the Campag. NR on my Bianchi to handle more 26T in back.
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Old 01-14-23, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by John E View Post
Please take this as a caution, rather than a criticism. Most vintage hubs are not designed for radial spoking. (I broke a Shimano hub across three flange holes a couple of years after I radially spoked it.)

Other than that, the bike is indeed a stunner, and nicely equipped.

If I am doing my tooth jump counting properly, that looks like a 3-3-4-4 increment pattern in back, consistent with the very common 14-17-20-24-28. I couldn't get the Campag. NR on my Bianchi to handle more 26T in back.
I appreciate your concern with the wheels. I keep a close eye on them, and since i have had them they have been extremely stable. I wouldn't build them this way, but I see them as a bit of a novelty. I took the wheels in trade and they have been in this configuration since all the component parts were new.

The freewheel is a 14/28. NR rear derailleurs are rated up to 26 teeth. However, if one plays with chain length and position of the wheel in the dropout it shifts fine.

Thank you for your comments.
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Originally Posted by Andy Antipas View Post
I took the wheels in trade
Oh, hey! Were those the original wheels from the Urago?
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That’s perfect. Even the size.
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Oh, hey! Were those the original wheels from the Urago?
Yep. Those wheels! I built another set of wheels for the Urago on Normandy Competition hubs with Mavic Rims keeping the Urago French....
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My #1 Holy Grail bike.
Your wonderful pics are as close as I'll ever get.
Thanks for posting it!
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Old 01-16-23, 10:42 AM
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Sheesh that’s a nice looking bike. Wish mine had a head badge like that.
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Originally Posted by Andy Antipas View Post
I appreciate your concern with the wheels. I keep a close eye on them, and since i have had them they have been extremely stable. I wouldn't build them this way, but I see them as a bit of a novelty. I took the wheels in trade and they have been in this configuration since all the component parts were new.

The freewheel is a 14/28. NR rear derailleurs are rated up to 26 teeth. However, if one plays with chain length and position of the wheel in the dropout it shifts fine.

Thank you for your comments.
Radial spoking should not be a problem on large flange hubs. I do recall having a rep (might have been Raleigh) bringing by a guy who repped for a Campy importer at the time in the 1970s and showing him a small flange hub that had a chunk out of the flange. He said Campy did not recommend radial spoking on the small flange hubs, especially when they had more than 28 holes. It was a long time ago, but I recall him being specific about small flange hubs. I don't like it on classics because it was relatively rare at the time, but that's just personal preference. From what I've read, there is no strength advantage to crossing spokes on the front wheel, and no difference in ride quality, either. I do recall a weight weenie having the nipples on the radial spoked front wheel on his PX10 all come loose on a single descent. I didn't see it happen, but he was pretty shaken when he brought the wheel into the shop. He had built the wheel himself, as I recall, and I suspect he had not fully tensioned the spokes. He had that little Peugeot well under 20 lbs.
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Cinelli 66 bars? And is that seatpost the famous one that requires the ":Z" wrench? ( I believe I still have mine.)

Beautiful bike! OP PO (Edit but OP too) had good tastes.
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Cinelli 66 bars? And is that seatpost the famous one that requires the ":Z" wrench? ( I believe I still have mine.)

Beautiful bike! OP PO (Edit but OP too) had good tastes.
Thank you.

Yes, Cinelli 66 bars. I have a z wrench, but I don't find it helps. I use a regular combination end wrench to adjust the saddle on the post.

I bought the frameset from the PO and had the majority of the components in my boxes of stuff.
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Fabulous bike. Ride it with panache and in good health as I know you will. Just being on the road with it will advance our sport.
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WOW! That thing is freaking BAD!
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Any imperfections? It looks brand new.
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Any imperfections? It looks brand new.
very close.

the headbadge screws should not have countersink visible. Might try industrial sewing machine bobbin case screws. Should be slotted as they are but the heads are too large.
the badge is probably a reproduction- there is a gap between the badge and the tube- oversize?
the head tube should have a two color made in Italy sticker- Greg Softley? Placement varies- sometimes at the top, sometimes at the bottom of the headtube. Last applied on top of the clear is correct.

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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
very close.

the headbadge screws should not have countersink visible. Might try industrial sewing machine bobbin case screws. Should be slotted as they are but the heads are too large.
the badge is probably a reproduction- there is a gap between the badge and the tube- oversize?
the head tube should have a two color made in Italy sticker- Greg Softley? Placement varies- sometimes at the top, sometimes at the bottom of the headtube. Last applied on top of the clear is correct.
I wouldn't throw it out of bed for eating crackers. Whoever did the refinishing did an amazing job. What does the correct "Made in Italy" sticker look like? There are several variations I've seen.
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