How can a $14,000 bicycle possibly be worth the money?
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"The man with one watch always knows the time. The man with two watches is never certain."
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Gaining 1 mph is not a few seconds. Assuming 20 mph vs 19, after an hour it's over 3 minutes.
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What a ridiculous thing to say! As if a desire to go farther with less effort isn't a perfectly valid goal! A goal which, I'd remind you, you yourself seek when your ride your bike rather than walking.
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TL;DR To answer the question in the title of the post, the bike is worth the money to the person who is purchasing the bike. The person did the cost/benefit analysis and for them, the $14k is a good investment. Now. Will the $14k make them a better rider? Probably not. BUT, if the bike gets them out and exercising more, and they get more enjoyment out of the ride after shelling out $14k, then the money was most definitely worth it.
To each their own, as the saying goes.
To each their own, as the saying goes.
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We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster.
Why? The same "why" we climb mountains. Really no point to it other than "we can".
Why? The same "why" we climb mountains. Really no point to it other than "we can".
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Originally Posted by genejockey
But I'd be hypocritical if I insisted everyone had to agree with my preferences, wouldn't I?
Since you collect watches, it's like wearing two little pieces of art.
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The world would be a dull place if everyone had the same preferences.
Since you collect watches, it's like wearing two little pieces of art.
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Some people assume that everything is always done to go faster. Some riders just want to buy a bike they like. Why does it matter to anyone else how much they spend? What if they just hang it on the wall and look at it? Is that ok? Are they then stupid?
We'll have to decide on a number, a monetary amount that is acceptable for others to spend and still be good doctors, still be not stupid. Would it be $3? How about $5000? Certainly not $14K, that is just too much.
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Since I collect both wrist and pocket watches, I routinely wear/carry one of each. Redundant? Of course! Maybe even a silly affectation. But, you know, I'm old enough not to give a crap.
"The man with one watch always knows the time. The man with two watches is never certain."
"The man with one watch always knows the time. The man with two watches is never certain."
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You will save weight with a $14,000 bike because your wallet will be much lighter.
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Well only if they aren't my preferences, we would have some really awesome bikes and some delicious whiskey and plenty of delicious cake and donuts! I will even make a $200 bike for wolfy and uneasyryda it will do everything somehow.
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But you can probably get a smoking deal on a second gen Venge right now, if that's your jam. But some people are convinced they need the "cutting edge" and the Joneses are worth a new Kia.
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Guess what? There are objective reasons for why Dura Ace costs that much. Shimano used to publish a chart showing the materials used in each groupset, and you can see exactly how your money went towards titanium parts, forged aluminum parts, ball bearings instead of brass bushings, etc. And you can also see the additionally matching done to lighten the cranks and brake calipers, the 2-piece bonded hollow crank arm, carbon reinforced hollow chain rings, etc. So it’s not just ‘yeah, that’s what people will pay. What’s it to you?’
At no point was I justifying paying for this bike. I was explaining why the bike costs so much.
At no point was I justifying paying for this bike. I was explaining why the bike costs so much.
How many times does it need to be said: cost of materials, research, manufacturing, etc. does not set the price at which things sell. Except that it sets a price below which the company can't make the profit margin they want. The stuff you list only impacts that, not the actual selling price.
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Why? Maybe they just like to ride a really nice bike and can afford it. I find it hilarious that people are so naive as to project their own values and criteria onto others.
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How many times does it need to be said: cost of materials, research, manufacturing, etc. does not set the price at which things sell. Except that it sets a price below which the company can't make the profit margin they want. The stuff you list only impacts that, not the actual selling price.
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A. Just because a marketer says something is an improvement over last-year, does not mean it is an improvement. When marketers say something is better, it is marketing, being able to tell consumers something is new is a way to keep profits up for corporations and that is it.
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C. If all pros had to use low-end racing bikes as someone else mentioned Japan may, then there would be a chance that people could learn that racing is about being the fastest rider, not the rider with the most money or technology.
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C. If all pros had to use low-end racing bikes as someone else mentioned Japan may, then there would be a chance that people could learn that racing is about being the fastest rider, not the rider with the most money or technology.
In my area there is a 59 year-old woman who wins local time-trials over all other female entrants. She is obviously a good athlete, but she is wealthy and rides $14,000 bicycles that no other competitor has, so who or what won the race?
D. My only claim for my $3 TT bike, is that in local fun events I can do as well on it time-wise as 2/3rds of the entrants, and could do much better if I was not a cardiac patient in my 60s. And because I am not brainwashed by marketers I can have fun on $3 bicycles, as much fun as the brainwashed have for 13,997 more. So today I am going to go help someone buy eye drops to treat their glaucoma which they can not afford.
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I'm no millennial (born in the early 50s!!) haven't worn a wristwatch in probably 10-15 years, maybe 20 now. It is extremely rare as to be approaching never that I need to know the time and don't have a clock within a glance at all times: home, office (before I retired), on the computer, on my bike, in the car, and as a last resort, I usually have my phone out, but it takes 1.0 seconds to pull it out of my pocket. I might admit that "time" isn't always readily available when I'm skiing (Nordic or Alpine), but if I'm concerned about time, I take a look at my phone and then figure it out from there. Wrist watches are unnecessary for me and I never liked wearing them even before I started carrying a phone in my pocket.
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Well, I don't know about you, but when I'm out on a ride, I find it WAY easier to sneak a quick peak at my wrist than to take a hand off the bar, reach back into my jersey pocket, pull out my phone in its little plastic bag, switch it on, look at the time, and then stuff it back in, without pulling out the empty food wrappers I stuff in there.
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I also have a fully equipped saddle bag on every single bike we own (8) even though theoretically one could move one from one bike to another. Until you get to your ride and have forgotten it. Not worth it to me.
Convenience is worth redundancy sometimes.