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06-06-20, 12:04 PM
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06-06-20, 12:05 PM
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The new-ish ones do that now.
06-06-20, 12:10 PM
#8478
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Yeah I don't think it's accurate at all though. Similarly, heat trashes Performance Condition, even though your actual fitness hasn't changed.
06-06-20, 12:15 PM
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06-06-20, 12:18 PM
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06-06-20, 12:20 PM
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06-06-20, 12:21 PM
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06-06-20, 12:26 PM
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You know it's all relative to what you were prior to that workout, right? If we split the timeline and take the same version of you, but one day is in 60* and the other is 100*, your Performance Condition could be +5 in the former and -5 in the latter, with zero change in how fit you are.
06-06-20, 12:34 PM
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06-06-20, 12:45 PM
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You know it's all relative to what you were prior to that workout, right? If we split the timeline and take the same version of you, but one day is in 60* and the other is 100*, your Performance Condition could be +5 in the former and -5 in the latter, with zero change in how fit you are.
06-06-20, 12:52 PM
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06-06-20, 12:54 PM
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06-06-20, 01:00 PM
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
06-06-20, 01:01 PM
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Whoooooooooooosh, anybody else hear that go over my head?
06-06-20, 01:13 PM
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smelling the roses
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06-06-20, 01:16 PM
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
06-06-20, 01:18 PM
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It's a bike, datlas go out and enjoy yourself.
06-06-20, 01:19 PM
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
IIRC, Heathpack's coach told her to pedal on moderate downhills like that.
06-06-20, 01:22 PM
#8495
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I just got in from a two wheeled standing water tour of the village. 4? 5? km. On my newish to me beater bike. A much too small framed hybrid, which gives a very nice ride. For this particular ride, it was good to know I could quickly get both feet down, if need be. Toe strike is an issue, but soonish I will be healthy enough to not be concerned with crashing. Tomorrow morning I hope to go to senior hour at the grocery store.
06-06-20, 01:23 PM
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
06-06-20, 01:25 PM
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06-06-20, 01:27 PM
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06-06-20, 01:27 PM
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Many many years ago I overheard the advice to pedal in those instances, for the gyro action, resulting in better balance. The receiver of the advice was a young inexperienced rider soon setting out on a cross country tour.
06-06-20, 01:29 PM
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Thus he takes his mask off to talk? Why of course! What was I thinking?
Edit: I realize that Americans have little experience in mask etiquette. We've been wearing them for six weeks, when away from home. And in the home, if there is a visitor
Edit: I realize that Americans have little experience in mask etiquette. We've been wearing them for six weeks, when away from home. And in the home, if there is a visitor