34/24 crank fine for a touring bike?
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34/24 crank fine for a touring bike?
And if so, will it much matter if the small cog on the cassette is 11T or 12T?
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The 34 x 11 yields a high of only 83.5 gear inches or 20 mph at 80 rpm which isn't nearly high enough for me not to be spinning out more than I would like. Your riding style might find that acceptable. If your smallest cog in the cassette was a 12, now it's even worse in that you max out at 18 mph at 80 rpm.
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Agree with Robow, a high gear of mid 80s gear inches is pretty low.
I have one touring bike that I set up with a high gear of 85.1 gear inches for touring and on shallow downhills I often wish I had a higher gear. But that is a very heavy duty (and heavy) bike, so I only rarely need a higher gear on that bike when touring. When I am not touring on that bike, I use a bigger chainring for my near-home riding to give me higher gears.
My other two touring bikes have triple cranks, smallest chainring is 24, biggest is 46, that works pretty good for me with an 11/32 cassette. I have toured with a big ring of 52, that was bigger than I needed, thus changed to 46 instead.
Some people on this forum use a biggest chainring as small as 42, but that would be too small for me.
On the 11 or 12 tooth smallest sprocket, my bikes with 11/32 cassettes have both an 11 and 12 tooth sprockets. I rarely use either of them unless it is a shallow downhill, if I lost one of those two sprockets it would not bother me very much. But, with a chainring that is 46 or 52, that is a much higher gear than you would have with a 34.
I have one touring bike that I set up with a high gear of 85.1 gear inches for touring and on shallow downhills I often wish I had a higher gear. But that is a very heavy duty (and heavy) bike, so I only rarely need a higher gear on that bike when touring. When I am not touring on that bike, I use a bigger chainring for my near-home riding to give me higher gears.
My other two touring bikes have triple cranks, smallest chainring is 24, biggest is 46, that works pretty good for me with an 11/32 cassette. I have toured with a big ring of 52, that was bigger than I needed, thus changed to 46 instead.
Some people on this forum use a biggest chainring as small as 42, but that would be too small for me.
On the 11 or 12 tooth smallest sprocket, my bikes with 11/32 cassettes have both an 11 and 12 tooth sprockets. I rarely use either of them unless it is a shallow downhill, if I lost one of those two sprockets it would not bother me very much. But, with a chainring that is 46 or 52, that is a much higher gear than you would have with a 34.
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A little more speed downhill makes shorter work of the uphills when you're running that "ribbon of highways".
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Crank, figure out your gear inch range and get back to us with b+w numbers for your wheel and tire size, and 12 and 11 teeth. Then we can talk.
also, why considering a 34/24 specifically?
also, why considering a 34/24 specifically?
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Because I just put it on my bike yesterday.
Moving to a 42/26 is a possibility for the future if it doesn't suit me. I'm not sure yet if the lack of higher gears will bother me or not. But I previously ran a 48/34 and I didn't feel I had low enough gears with that setup.
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My Rohloff14 had 21.8 to 114.6 GI. I use the high almost as much as the low.
When I had a big tailwind, I was doing 27 to 30 mph on the FLAT. Very seldom of course.
85 GI is for just a slight downhill or tailwind. I agree high gears and momentum will get you up the backside of dips far better than low gears. This helps boost your avg. speed quite a bit many days.
21GI is plenty low enough for most situations. I can push at 3.2 mph or so, on tiring hills.
My bike is 120 lbs too.
When I had a big tailwind, I was doing 27 to 30 mph on the FLAT. Very seldom of course.
85 GI is for just a slight downhill or tailwind. I agree high gears and momentum will get you up the backside of dips far better than low gears. This helps boost your avg. speed quite a bit many days.
21GI is plenty low enough for most situations. I can push at 3.2 mph or so, on tiring hills.
My bike is 120 lbs too.
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My Rock and Road has a 24-36-46 up front. Here, in Vermont, the 46 is mostly for decoration. I ride a lot of dirt roads and 20 MPH is a handful. Even if it is smooth, for dirt, the vibration makes it hard to see potholes, etc. The low gears, on the other hand, get a workout, my low is about 19 GI.
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I've got a high of about 85-95 and it isn't enough. Not because I like speed. I seldom go over 16 mph while pedaling. It's because I like to slow pedal and keep up the pace with the slight downhill grade. I also like to stand on the crank once in awhile to stretch out my back on flat terrain. It's hard to do that when you spinout too soon.
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What works for one, doesn't work for another.
Its obvious from some of the posters above that what suits me fine wouldn't work for them.
We are all different as are many of our bikes and riding style.
I never get near my tallest gears and they don't suit my riding style and I understand that my 15.3 to 80.2 gear inches (sheldons gear calculator) wouldn't suit everyone.
I'll never see 50 again though and its hilly where I ride, my knees aren't great and my mountain bike tourer isn't light.
Due to touring predominately longer durations away, I tour with 4 panniers, rack bag and handlebar bar and sometimes with a trailer.
With this combo, I never get close to top gear and tend to spin in the high 90's (cadence).
29er with 2.3 tires, 18T on the IGH and 34T on the cranks.
YMMV
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I don't know what b+w means, but I'm running 700x32 and 700x28.
Because I just put it on my bike yesterday.
Moving to a 42/26 is a possibility for the future if it doesn't suit me. I'm not sure yet if the lack of higher gears will bother me or not. But I previously ran a 48/34 and I didn't feel I had low enough gears with that setup.
Because I just put it on my bike yesterday.
Moving to a 42/26 is a possibility for the future if it doesn't suit me. I'm not sure yet if the lack of higher gears will bother me or not. But I previously ran a 48/34 and I didn't feel I had low enough gears with that setup.
without knowing your bikes wheel size and tires, it's up to you to go to a gearing calculator to get your gear inch numbers, and the different top gear numbers for 11t and 12t cassettes.
For some of us gearing nerds, we know what specific gear inch translates to real world stuff.
one of my bikes has a top gear of 104 gear inches, and I spin out at a bit over 50 kph, and for what I use this bike for, carrying a good load, I'm fine with that top gear. But that bike has 26 inch wheels, 45mm tires, 44 big ring, 11t cassette.
I also can spin pretty fast when it's required.
but as others say, hard to know how you are with your touring load, on what roads you ride, etc etc
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I don't know what b+w means, but I'm running 700x32 and 700x28.
Because I just put it on my bike yesterday.
Moving to a 42/26 is a possibility for the future if it doesn't suit me. I'm not sure yet if the lack of higher gears will bother me or not. But I previously ran a 48/34 and I didn't feel I had low enough gears with that setup.
Because I just put it on my bike yesterday.
Moving to a 42/26 is a possibility for the future if it doesn't suit me. I'm not sure yet if the lack of higher gears will bother me or not. But I previously ran a 48/34 and I didn't feel I had low enough gears with that setup.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gear-calc.html
Best of luck whatever your choice
At the end of the day only you have to spin your cranks so buy according to your predominant riding style, be that spinning or mashing
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My own thoughts would be it wouldn't be high enough for long downhills. I like to keep my legs a little bit loaded when descending after a long climb, otherwise you get that Lead Legs "lactic acid" build up feeling. Just spinning the cranks unloaded doesn't seem to help keep it at bay. (I also don't like Lager Legs, when you have a beer with lunch and it's like riding through treacle afterwards)
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look, this should be really easy, barely an inconvenience.
you've got the bike, you've got racks, you've got packs.
best of all, the bike already has some gears.
get you a notebook, and note down the chain rings and the cogs.
load up your bike as you would for your tour or commute.
ride around and see just which gears are the bestest for
various types of terrain and wind conditions.
mark in red the bestestest gear combinations.
and now hit the interwebs, go to some of the recommended gear
calculators. enter in your current setup, including tire sizes,
and see what your current setup gives you in terms of gear inches
in all combinations, and which your favorite gear inches are.
now play with the calculator, figger out which chainring and
cog combinations will get you those same gear inches, and
can you give you more top and/or low end.
then you can see what you'd need to do change to get
a little higher or lower........
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It really helps to think about your chainring sizes if you also have your cassette info.
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It was always in the 34. I never used the 48. That's why I took the leap and swapped cranks. Figured I'd never miss it.
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I have a rohloff hub with a belt drive using a 46T front sprocket and a 19T rear sprocket. On a 26" nominal wheel, that gives me a range of 17.6 to 92.3 gear inches.
I do use the lowest two gears - mostly when heavily loaded up hill (as in 40-50 kilos of cargo) and I also wish for another gear at the top end when going downhill and sometimes on the flats (I'm really not good at spinning with a non-motorised prosthetic foot).
The actual gear inches changes depending on tyre choice. If I use my Kojak 1.35 it will be a little lower, and if I use my 1.8 Naches Pass, it will be shifted a little up.
I feel it's a good compromise for me, but regardless of what pther people use, there is nothing as good as trying out things for yourself and go from there: Seeing what you're comfortable with and notice if you want something lower, something higher, or perhaps both. Then calculate how much more or less you want and buy that.
Regardless of what you choose, it will always be a compromise.
I do use the lowest two gears - mostly when heavily loaded up hill (as in 40-50 kilos of cargo) and I also wish for another gear at the top end when going downhill and sometimes on the flats (I'm really not good at spinning with a non-motorised prosthetic foot).
The actual gear inches changes depending on tyre choice. If I use my Kojak 1.35 it will be a little lower, and if I use my 1.8 Naches Pass, it will be shifted a little up.
I feel it's a good compromise for me, but regardless of what pther people use, there is nothing as good as trying out things for yourself and go from there: Seeing what you're comfortable with and notice if you want something lower, something higher, or perhaps both. Then calculate how much more or less you want and buy that.
Regardless of what you choose, it will always be a compromise.
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Let me tell you my views and what works for me. I have tripple at the front 42-32-22 and 14-34 at the back. I have 26 inch wheels. My gear inches are both low at low and high end i.e. 16.8 to 78. I mostly ride on 32 and 14 combination in the flatland. I spin a lot and my speed is 20 km/h. I am loaded and have panniers. I find this low speed ok. I find that the aerodynamics is the biggest issue to the bike with bags. I simply can't pedal faster than this on extended tours. I just finished 216 km (135 miles) in a day. I had descents but I never used 42 at the front. And I never use it on the flat while loaded. But that is because my descents aren't huge and I mostly coast on mine due to safety reasons. I know many people will say I'm silly. It all depends on the terrain your riding and your riding style and preference. Perhaps, if I were you, I'd go triple at the front just to have more versatility for long descent where you want to spin if you frequently encounter them. I use my granny gear of 22 when climbing. It's important to have low gear for climbing. I don't understand new touring bikes that have low gear inches above 22 for example. That isn't low enough for a touring machine in mountains. So you have around 21 gear inches at the low (24 teeth/32 teeth (assumed casette) *28 wheel size) so I assume you will be fine for climbing. Also with 34 front and 11 or 12 at the back I would be totally ok but some people would need a bigger ring at the front.
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I know a guy that tours with a cadence at least 50 percent higher than mine, neither of us would last long with the gearing that the other has.
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Then you probably have your answer. I would not be able to tour on that combination of gears, but that might work great for you. I suspect you are a high cadence rider and do not apply a lot of torque to the crankset.
I know a guy that tours with a cadence at least 50 percent higher than mine, neither of us would last long with the gearing that the other has.
I know a guy that tours with a cadence at least 50 percent higher than mine, neither of us would last long with the gearing that the other has.
Going to change out my 11-34(11,13,15,17,20,23,26,30,34) cassette for an 11-32(11,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32) and give it another test ride. It seems pretty good so far.
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I also tend not to pedal on steeper descents. I have a fear of going too fast and crashing and sliding along the asphalt. Always paranoid the front tire will blow out, handlebars will loosen up, etc. It's not super rational, but it's there.
Going to change out my 11-34(11,13,15,17,20,23,26,30,34) cassette for an 11-32(11,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32) and give it another test ride. It seems pretty good so far.
Going to change out my 11-34(11,13,15,17,20,23,26,30,34) cassette for an 11-32(11,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32) and give it another test ride. It seems pretty good so far.
Keep any chainlinks you remove, just in case you want to add them back later.
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Sheldon Brown's gear calculator has a pretty good one, showing the various combinations - you can also put in you own tooth counts
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gear-calc.html
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gear-calc.html
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I suspect the 34 would be a little bit small for my comfort, but only a little bit, for loaded touring. I've got big rings on the order of 44-48, but those see a lot more use unloaded (joyriding).
If, after you try that combination, you want a bit higher gearing, you might consider changing the big ring. Easy (just use thread locker) and fairly inexpensive -- assuming you can source the size you want with the correct BCD.
If, after you try that combination, you want a bit higher gearing, you might consider changing the big ring. Easy (just use thread locker) and fairly inexpensive -- assuming you can source the size you want with the correct BCD.
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