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Do any of you actually use DELTA brakes??

Old 09-17-23, 01:56 AM
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I love your bike, it's probably the best bike I've ever seen online. It's amazing!
Haha woah there, I don't know about that, but thanks. Here's a front view with added sunshine just for you

The Mario Martini paint job is quite something, if you want to see close-ups of all the frame details and pantographed kit, there's more pics here: https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/somec-columbus-max-47706
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Old 09-17-23, 02:13 AM
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So beautiful Do you have a suitably intense kit to wear while you ride it?
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Old 09-17-23, 02:20 AM
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I sure do. #inhale
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Old 09-17-23, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by iab
Really?

And how exactly is their "performance" measured? By height?
Length, obviously.

Donít be obtuse. It doesnít suit you. C&V isnít just about how old a bike is or how much chrome or massive flat aluminum plates it has. I consider my bike C&V, but it has ceramic bearings, compressionless cables and titanium fasteners. Itís tuned to a very high degree. So yes, ďperformance,Ē however you prefer to define it, can certainly be a part of the C&V ethos.
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Old 09-17-23, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Length, obviously.

Donít be obtuse. It doesnít suit you. C&V isnít just about how old a bike is or how much chrome or massive flat aluminum plates it has. I consider my bike C&V, but it has ceramic bearings, compressionless cables and titanium fasteners. Itís tuned to a very high degree. So yes, ďperformance,Ē however you prefer to define it, can certainly be a part of the C&V ethos.
No, it can't. At least in an absolute manner. If you truly want performance, you do not have a C&V bike. A modern bike is lighter, more aero, shifts faster, has more gear choices and stops better. Are your ceramic bearings and compressionless housing C&V?

And no, modern components on an old steel frame is not C&V nor a part of and ethos. It's a preference.
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Originally Posted by iab
No, it can't. At least in an absolute manner. If you truly want performance, you do not have a C&V bike. A modern bike is lighter, more aero, shifts faster, has more gear choices and stops better. Are your ceramic bearings and compressionless housing C&V?

And no, modern components on an old steel frame is not C&V nor a part of and ethos. It's a preference.
And yet I've had a thread running on here for years now showing that the performance of all my bikes is actually pretty similar under a mere mortal bike rider like me. No real advantage to new bikes, C.F. 2x gears, etc. Heck just this morning I opened up the 41 year old Krapf bike running a 6 speed friction DT shifting on a segment I've literally ridden easily a thousand times amongst all my bikes. The Krapf set a PR on that segment for me despite running into a bit of a headwind. Yeah.....no performance....

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Originally Posted by jamesdak
And yet I've had a thread running on here for years now showing that the performance of all my bikes is actually pretty similar under a mere mortal bike rider like me. No real advantage to new bikes, C.F. 2x gears, etc. Heck just this morning I opened up the 41 year old Krapf bike running a 6 speed friction DT shifting on a segment I've literally ridden easily a thousand times amongst all my bikes. The Krapf set a PR on that segment for me despite running into a bit of a headwind. Yeah.....no performance....

But but... just imagine how much lower your pErfoRmaNce would be with Deltas on that rig instead... nothing short of Dura Ace will unleash your true 19.2 mph average
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Old 09-17-23, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by iab
No, it can't. At least in an absolute manner. If you truly want performance, you do not have a C&V bike.

And no, modern components on an old steel frame is not C&V nor a part of and ethos. It's a preference.
I doubt there are many people that wouldnít see my Cinelli as anything other than C&V. Maybe just you.

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Originally Posted by jamesdak
Yeah.....no performance....
And why exactly do you think your "performance" is relevant?

I'm not going to stop you from enjoying going out, throwing down the hammer, and achieving a PR. If that floats your boat, more power to you. But your xcl sheet documenting every ride you have ever taken is singular. No one cares about it except you, not even your partner cares. Sure, they may humor you and say "Well, that was a good day honey." But it is nonetheless irrelevant, which is exactly what I wrote that caused you and sm4 to respond to me.

Its relative. Always has been, always will be. And unless you are putting food on the table racing bikes, it is largely irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by smd4
I doubt there are many people that wouldnít see my Cinelli as anything other than C&V. Maybe just you.
And it is no longer a performance bike.
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Old 09-17-23, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iab
And it is no longer a performance bike.
Of course it is.

Why you think the two are mutually exclusive is laughable.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Of course it is.

Why you think the two are mutually exclusive is laughable.
The fact you think you achieve "performance" is laughable.
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Originally Posted by iab
The fact you think you achieve "performance" is laughable.
I never said I did.

The Cinelli is definitely a high performance C&V bike.
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Originally Posted by smd4
I never said I did.

The Cinelli is definitely a high performance C&V bike.
How so? What race did it win?
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Originally Posted by iab
How so? What race did it win?
Come on by. I *might* let you ride it if I deem you worthy.
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Come on by. I *might* let you ride it if I deem you worthy.
I have owned several over the years. Wasted on me.
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Originally Posted by iab
I have owned several over the years. Wasted on me.
I get it. Iím the same with wine. Wouldnít know a good wine if it bit me.

You should get together with Atlas Shrugged. Iím sure you both would have a lot to talk about.

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Originally Posted by panzerwagon
But but... just imagine how much lower your pErfoRmaNce would be with Deltas on that rig instead... nothing short of Dura Ace will unleash your true 19.2 mph average
LOL, right!

Although....I did have to use a Dura Ace FD on this. Sooooo.....there just has to be a 19 mph avg on this one just waiting to bust out!
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I sure do. #inhale
Nice!
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Originally Posted by smd4
I get it. Iím the same with wine. Wouldnít know a good wine if it bit me.

You should get together with Atlas Shrugged. Iím sure you both would have a lot to talk about.
Now you are just being mean.

My point is, use Deltas, use long reach single-pivot flimsy calipers, use dual pivot, use discs. Use whatever floats your boat, because for us mere mortals, it really doesn't make much difference. A young Gino Bartali on his first team bike in 1934 will drop the likes of us, at any age, on whatever "performance" bike we choose. I'm under no illusions on how much I suck and all the money in the world won't improve it to a real level of performance. So when Atlas or any other dimwit says not to use Delta because the performance sucks, they are living in a fantasy.
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Originally Posted by iab
Now you are just being mean.

My point is, use Deltas, use long reach single-pivot flimsy calipers, use dual pivot, use discs. Use whatever floats your boat, because for us mere mortals, it really doesn't make much difference.
Youíre thinking about this the wrong way. Iím not trying to win any race. Iím trying to experience the highest quality I can (for the era that interests me).

I drive a Toyota Corolla. An exceedingly boring and dull car. A CSO, to borrow a term. Iíll never get to drive a Ferrari. But with my bike, I get to experience an actual high performance racing machine, circa 1998. Like my bossís 1972 Pantera. Still the highest performance car Iíve ever experienced. And itís over 50 years old.

Why do people own Rolexes when $40 Timexes do the exact same thing?

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Originally Posted by smd4
Youíre thinking about this the wrong way. Iím not trying to win any race. Iím trying to experience the highest quality I can (for the era that interests me).

I drive a Toyota Corolla. An exceedingly boring and dull car. A CSO, to borrow a term. Iíll never get to drive a Ferrari. But with my bike, I get to experience an actual high performance racing machine, circa 1998. Like my bossís 1972 Pantera. Still the highest performance car Iíve ever experienced. And itís over 50 years old.

Why do people own Rolexes when $40 Timexes do the exact same thing?
Actually my iPhone keeps better time than either.

I bet delta brakes work fine. Usual caveats, cleaned, lubed, adjusted properly, fresh pads, blah blah.

They look weird, but whatever.
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I bet delta brakes work fine. Usual caveats, cleaned, lubed, adjusted properly, fresh pads, blah blah.

They look weird, but whatever.
Frank Berto wrote that pretty much every other brake at the time worked better.
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Actually my iPhone keeps better time than either.
Not when the power goes out and you canít charge it.
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Not when the power goes out and you canít charge it.
Then I just ask someone else.
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