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Old 09-18-23, 07:16 AM
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At 185ish+, riding with people you can hang with on the flats. you're going to get dropped on climbs.

Catch them on the descents. Don't crash trying.

Ride lots. Start thinking upgrades after a few thousand miles.
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Old 09-19-23, 09:35 AM
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>> I ride both size cranks (I have 175 mm cranks on one bike, and 172.5 mm cranks on the other)

Great to hear. Yeah, I don't think it seems to be an issue, per se, but maybe just adds a bit more effort to get up hills when I'm struggling and don't have a lower gear due to the 53/39 T crank. Not having any pain, so that seems to be the limiting factor I've read?

>> At 185ish+, riding with people you can hang with on the flats. you're going to get dropped on climbs. Catch them on the descents. Don't crash trying. Ride lots. Start thinking upgrades after a few thousand miles.

Oops, not that it matters, but I'm down to 175ish - typo above. I used to be 190 but after some dietary cleanup and biking I'm down 15 pounds this year! Still gettin' dropped on the climbs. And don't you worry, already thinking about upgrades. Trying to figure out what carbon lightweight wheels I can justify...
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Old 09-19-23, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sfortner
>> I ride both size cranks (I have 175 mm cranks on one bike, and 172.5 mm cranks on the other)

Great to hear. Yeah, I don't think it seems to be an issue, per se, but maybe just adds a bit more effort to get up hills when I'm struggling and don't have a lower gear due to the 53/39 T crank. Not having any pain, so that seems to be the limiting factor I've read?

>> At 185ish+, riding with people you can hang with on the flats. you're going to get dropped on climbs. Catch them on the descents. Don't crash trying. Ride lots. Start thinking upgrades after a few thousand miles.

Oops, not that it matters, but I'm down to 175ish - typo above. I used to be 190 but after some dietary cleanup and biking I'm down 15 pounds this year! Still gettin' dropped on the climbs. And don't you worry, already thinking about upgrades. Trying to figure out what carbon lightweight wheels I can justify...
On cranks: a longer crank arm technically gives you ever so slightly more leverage per revolution, though likely at the expense of RPM.

On carbon wheels: For a rim brake bike, I'd probably look at lightweight alloy, rather than carbon. Two concerns on carbon rims are that 1) even with disc-rim specific pads, they don't brake especially well in the wet. and 2) if you do end up riding in wet or dusty conditions, surface abrasion could cause premature rim wear. Of course, if you're antsy enough to be looking at carbon wheels, that money could be applied to a whole new bike, too. I'm sure someone here could give a recommendation for one of those, as well!
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Old 09-19-23, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sfortner
Oops, not that it matters, but I'm down to 175ish - typo above. I used to be 190 but after some dietary cleanup and biking I'm down 15 pounds this year! Still gettin' dropped on the climbs. And don't you worry, already thinking about upgrades. Trying to figure out what carbon lightweight wheels I can justify...
How much does that Scott weigh? Dropping five pounds will make some hills disappear. But on that bike, I don't know where you are going to save that much weight. Are those the original bars ? They look to have a insanely long reach. If someone replaced the original bars, then those might be adding weight along with all the extra tape it took to wrap them. But that's really weight weenie stuff and probably not your issue.

You have what are pretty decent alloy wheels already for weight. I don't know if you'll get much more weight difference by going to carbon. To make that bike lighter you'll probably need to change to a better/lighter group set including cranks, wheels, handlebar and seat post if none of those are already light components for upper tier bikes. And that will cost much more than just getting a better new bike. New bikes in the upper tiers come with better components all around than do bikes in the lower tier of the same model bike.

You might need to change how you climb hills. But that probably needs a new thread.
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Old 09-19-23, 11:15 AM
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Cost of losing 1 pound of body weight = psychological and physical efforts
Cost of having a bike that is 1 pound lighter = a few thousand $

I'd keep this bike for a while until you get fitter, then I would consider upgrading to a recent bike that's lighter if you still ''love the pain''
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Old 09-19-23, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sfortner
And don't you worry, already thinking about upgrades. Trying to figure out what carbon lightweight wheels I can justify...
These are pretty good and inexpensive: FFWD Wheels F4R 45mm Tubeless Carbon Clincher Wheel Set (ffwdusa.com)
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Old 09-20-23, 12:53 PM
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I went and rode a 2022 Scott Addict 20, just to see how much more comfortable and refined it is, with huge 32 mm tires, and bought it. $2000 with about 500 miles on it. It's about $700 or so below blue book too, so gotta like that. All my concerns about sinking money in an obsolete bike just went away. It really is so much more comfortable and still has enough of a racy feel, I think it'll be fine. The old Scott CR1 Pro is about 17 pounds and the new bike is completely stock (except for 52/36 chainrings), so it's around 18.5 pounds. Here's one of the most interesting threads on cutting weight I've seen on the CR1 Pro - https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...12755&start=15.

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Nice bike. But read this.......

https://www.purecycles.com/blogs/bic...raph-your-bike

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sfortner: Come on, you got to ride your new bike at least three times before you dive into the weight weenie rabbit hole.
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Old 09-21-23, 07:17 AM
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Haha, true. Already thinking about tires though. I do have a fitting set up for Oct 3. Lots of people are saying that’s valuable and I have some physical injuries from my past that may need attention. One being right hip and leg after a femur brake in ‘86. That right side doesn’t work like the left.
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Old 09-21-23, 07:41 PM
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What cassette does the new bike have? Eerily similar situation here, age, height, a little heavier 202# currently, been much lower, bad left knee, repaired right hip. I would strive for the best gearing for climbing I could. I am considering upgrading my SuperSix with compact crank to 11-speed for the 11-34 cassette. I have changed from 11-25 to an 11-28, wasn't enough, then a 12-30 to ease the climbs and PFPS I get. Been fitted professionally. Sucks getting old.
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Old 09-22-23, 07:03 AM
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Congrats on the new bike. Now it’ll be easier to jump down that carbon wheel rabbit hole. Though for quick wins in the weight area, a carbon post and lightweight saddle could shave nearly 200g (1/3 - 1/2 lbs) for just a couple hundred bucks, and switching out to TPU tubes from butyl could be another 150g for $30. Suddenly you’re below 18lbs!

And given its a 2022, it shouldn’t be affected, but double check that your R8000 crank isn’t part of the just-announced recall. My 2019 crank needs to be inspected, and it’s convenient that I have my old bike while the new one’s in the shop - so don’t sell the CR1 Pro just yet!
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Old 09-22-23, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by macattack71
What cassette does the new bike have? Eerily similar situation here, age, height, a little heavier 202# currently, been much lower, bad left knee, repaired right hip. I would strive for the best gearing for climbing I could. I am considering upgrading my SuperSix with compact crank to 11-speed for the 11-34 cassette. I have changed from 11-25 to an 11-28, wasn't enough, then a 12-30 to ease the climbs and PFPS I get. Been fitted professionally. Sucks getting old.
11-32. I rode with the faster group last night on our group ride and they intentionally, for reasons I can't understand , went a different route with a pretty big hill. I was thankful I had that 32 tooth granny gear. The guy I bought it from changed the chainrings to 52/36, so it's a little steeper than the stock 50/34. We gotta keep riding, but yeah, 55 here and not getting any younger. Thankful I can still ride, but have had more than one doctor tell me I shouldn't run due to hip. Have bone spurring to start, and haven't had to have it repaired yet. Just some mobility issues. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by aliasfox
Congrats on the new bike. Now it’ll be easier to jump down that carbon wheel rabbit hole. Though for quick wins in the weight area, a carbon post and lightweight saddle could shave nearly 200g (1/3 - 1/2 lbs) for just a couple hundred bucks, and switching out to TPU tubes from butyl could be another 150g for $30. Suddenly you’re below 18lbs!

And given its a 2022, it shouldn’t be affected, but double check that your R8000 crank isn’t part of the just-announced recall. My 2019 crank needs to be inspected, and it’s convenient that I have my old bike while the new one’s in the shop - so don’t sell the CR1 Pro just yet!
I like the way you're thinking : ). Yeah, I just checked the recall thing - I have a TC production code crank - but sent that recall to my buddies. Thanks for the heads up.
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