Cat4Lifer

More here.

Gordy748

I think EPO in the late 80's was still the domain of the Iron Curtain countries and possibly cross-country skiing. EPO took off cycling in the early 90's; we can tell because nobody know how much to use, and some people went too far and caused their blood to have so many red blood cells it turned their blood into a substance resembling treacle. Which is why so many young riders were having heart attacks at 5:00 am... at less than 30 beats a minutes, their bodies couldn't cope with pumping blood that thick and simply stalled. #notagreatwaytogo

mprelaw

Nothing in Fok's notebook about transfusions, but I'm sure that cyclists were using them by 1988. The entire US Olympic cycling team was transfusing in 1984. It was legal until 1986.

K.Katso

Yes there is.



"Zakje bloed" means "bag of blood."

He gives a pretty good description of what they took, when they took it, and the results they got from it.

mprelaw

My bad. My Dutch is a wee bit rusty.

daveF

80's? Long before that, I'm sure. I remember rumours that Lasse Viren was using blood transfusions for the 72 & 76 Olympics. Athletes knew the benefits of blood transfusions long before 1980.

Angio Graham

Greg Lemond is starting to look suspect.....

classic1

Rumors are that Gastone Nencini was blood doping in the 1960's

baj32161

I am getting a bit weary with all of this. At this point, I am just going to save myself the aggravation and figure that the entire peloton of that era was doping. Now....do I really care?....No, but I would love nothing more than to see the sport completely cleaned up.

classic1

That would be the same Greg Lemond who left PDM, in part because of some of the 'expectations' of the team?

1989.....

https://articles.latimes.com/1989-07-..._1_greg-lemond

eja_ bottecchia

That report does not make it entirely clear whether drug use by PDM was the primary reason for Greg's departure. One is left tomwonder whether if a financial deal been ibtained if Greg would have still left the team.

In other words would he have stayed if PDM paid him enough. Guess we will never know.

Athens80

Quotes in the article:
Dopers were threatening legal action whistle-blowers then too.

mprelaw

Save your breath. Despite the fact that there has never been even a credible rumor that LeMond doped, despite the fact that both Hinault and Fignon---neither of whom had any love for him and who were critical of him for other things---maintained that he always rode clean, despite the fact that he rode for an anti-doping fanatic in Koechli when he was with La Vie Claire, and despite the fact that he was calling for tighter controls while he was still winning yellows, the fanbois will always say, "but, but, everyone was doing it, so he must have been too".

mprelaw

Yup, and the chances are pretty good that a Finnish cop didn't discover it all on his own. It was probably being done in the Eastern Bloc back into the 1960s. Although Lasse did train at altitude in Africa prior to both Olympiads. He still denies blood doping, for what it's worth.

calamarichris

Keep it up Armstrong interns! That's one more you've worn out!
Everyone chant along with me now: Lance is good, everyone doped, and the only ones who didn't dope are somehow to blame for Lance's cheating and lying. They're all crybabies & attention wh0r3s on a witch hunt! Lance is good, everyone doped... (repeat 3 times...)

Cat4Lifer

man, PDM really ****ed that up...
Delgado leaves PDM at the end of '87, and wins the TDF in '88.
Lemond leaves PDM at the end of '88, and wins the TDF in '89.

calamarichris

Clever parallel, except that Delgado was busted for doping, but Lemond went on to win the Tour clean again, and remains the Only American to Have Ever Won the Tour de France. Oh yeah, and he was also the only one who advocated increased doping controls while he was still competing and winning as a professional racer.
Armstrong would almost certainly have done that too, if he wasn't so busy suing and defaming all the honest people who were trying to tell us the truth about him. There are only so many hours in a day, right?
And then there was that mention of Dr. Ferrari, which led to your Hero Armstrong being exposed as a liar, a fraud, and a cheat, which was the original incentive behind your initiating this thread in the first place, since it casually infers that doping is okay, because every rider in history (except for Lemond, and probably not Hinault) did it too.

Cat4Lifer

LMAO WTF
I was talking about PDM losing two riders that went on to win the TDF the year following their departure, and how they (PDM) ****ed that up, I wasn't even talking about, hinting at, or even thinking about doping. I'm not sure where you saw that in my post. But if you'd remove your face from the chamois of the used Lemond bibs you won on ebay more often, you might have seen that.

Angio Graham

No, Lance Armstrong won the Tour 7 times and Landis won it once.

They crossed the finish line first.

Zinger

The entire US Olympic Team was not in on the transfusions. In the road races the highest medal winner riding with a transfusion was Rebecca Twigg. Neither Carpenter or Grewal were thought to be in on it. I doubt if Grewal would need to lie about it since it was legal and he's admitted to everything else he doped for including his wins in the "Bob Cook Memorial"