Lansing, IA Mississippi River Bridge
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Lansing, IA Mississippi River Bridge
Anybody know it? Not ideal riding, but I live near there on the Wisconsin side, and had an errand that didn't need a car in Lansing today, so I rode over. 2.5 close calls on the way back, in the spirit of the Halloween season:
The bridge is roughly 18-20' wide, steel grid deck. Coming from Iowa there's a short (30-40'?) Steep (15%?) ramp up, then roughly 100-150' level, and maybe 250' steep down the other side. Speed limit 25mph on the bridge, a single solid, faded yellow line down the middle. I was going roughly 12-15mph on the level section at the top when a pickup truck decided to pass me (because all cyclists stand still). She started to pass, straddling the center line, when another car came up onto the flat part of the bridge from the other direction. The driver braked and pulled back in behind me, and once the second car had passed she again attempted to pass, and this time did so successfully. The 0.5 was the second pickup truck who followed her past me the second time, although I think that was on the slope down already where he had a clear view of oncoming traffic.
About 1/2 mile later, on a left hand bend where the westbound lane has a passing zone but the eastbound lane does not, a semi passed me, crossing into the oncoming lane around a blind corner. There was a car forced slightly onto the shoulder, but no collision.
To their small credit all drivers involved gave me adequate room. In the future I'll hog the whole lane on the bridge. I don't think there's anything I could have done about the semi except watch out for shrapnel.
The bridge is roughly 18-20' wide, steel grid deck. Coming from Iowa there's a short (30-40'?) Steep (15%?) ramp up, then roughly 100-150' level, and maybe 250' steep down the other side. Speed limit 25mph on the bridge, a single solid, faded yellow line down the middle. I was going roughly 12-15mph on the level section at the top when a pickup truck decided to pass me (because all cyclists stand still). She started to pass, straddling the center line, when another car came up onto the flat part of the bridge from the other direction. The driver braked and pulled back in behind me, and once the second car had passed she again attempted to pass, and this time did so successfully. The 0.5 was the second pickup truck who followed her past me the second time, although I think that was on the slope down already where he had a clear view of oncoming traffic.
About 1/2 mile later, on a left hand bend where the westbound lane has a passing zone but the eastbound lane does not, a semi passed me, crossing into the oncoming lane around a blind corner. There was a car forced slightly onto the shoulder, but no collision.
To their small credit all drivers involved gave me adequate room. In the future I'll hog the whole lane on the bridge. I don't think there's anything I could have done about the semi except watch out for shrapnel.
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For that short a distance, taking the lane does seem the safest option. Good luck.
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I wondered about pulling off and calling the police with a vehicle description. The first truck that passed had New Mexico plates: few enough of those in Wisconsin that, combined with a rough description of the vehicle and driver they could probably have tracked her down if they wanted to.
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I would not antagonize motorists by riding in the middle of the lane. I think the first driver did the right thing and I admire her patience and cool under pressure. If you stay as far as you can to the right, in most situations, two moderately-sized vehicles can pass one-another near you. Personally, I don't worry about cars coming near to me when they need to, because of on-coming traffic. I know that life happens, but maybe time your rides over that bridge for a quieter part of the day/week?
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I would not antagonize motorists by riding in the middle of the lane. I think the first driver did the right thing and I admire her patience and cool under pressure. If you stay as far as you can to the right, in most situations, two moderately-sized vehicles can pass one-another near you. Personally, I don't worry about cars coming near to me when they need to, because of on-coming traffic. I know that life happens, but maybe time your rides over that bridge for a quieter part of the day/week?
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Yeah I’m familiar with that bridge. Used it last year, don’t get up there much ( live in Grant Co) would choose not to ride it if I had the option. Pulling that first incline coming out of Lansing could/would definitely back up traffic and may be likely to eventually cause some driver to make a poor choice.
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That bridge wasn't engineered to accommodate anything but vehicular traffic. As indicated there's no alternate route to cross the river for miles and miles either north or south so it gets a lot of traffic.
I live fairly close to it yet rarely get down there, having no reason to cross over. Were I on a bike I'd avoid transiting it entirely simply out of self-protection. Cyclists just don't get the common courtesy they rightfully deserve from most motor vehicle operators.
I live fairly close to it yet rarely get down there, having no reason to cross over. Were I on a bike I'd avoid transiting it entirely simply out of self-protection. Cyclists just don't get the common courtesy they rightfully deserve from most motor vehicle operators.
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In situations like that I take the lane so that drivers behind know they'll need room for a full lane change when passing. However, once a passing car (or truck) is abreast, I'll move right to help them move back to the lane smoother. If I suspect a possible issue with oncoming traffic, I'll move right and scrub off enough speed to eliminate overlap in case the passing driver feels compelled to move back into the lane.
FWIW most of this is EXACTLY what is considered proper road etiquette for drivers being passed.
WARNING - If the driver miscalculates he might start moving back into the lane preferring to squeeze you to a head on, so you need to be aware and ready to react accordingly. Passing semis present a unique issue here because of their length, making harder to eliminate overlap.
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BTW ---- I see they're building a replacement. Do you know if and how they factored bicycles into the design?
FWIW most of this is EXACTLY what is considered proper road etiquette for drivers being passed.
WARNING - If the driver miscalculates he might start moving back into the lane preferring to squeeze you to a head on, so you need to be aware and ready to react accordingly. Passing semis present a unique issue here because of their length, making harder to eliminate overlap.
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BTW ---- I see they're building a replacement. Do you know if and how they factored bicycles into the design?
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https://iowadot.gov/lansingbridge/Ne...esign-Overview
Looks very promising. Current bridge is 10' lanes with no shoulders, new bridge will be 12' lanes with 8' shoulders. Bridge deck width increasing from 21' to 40'. Concrete instead of steel grate deck surface is an improvement, too.
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I would not antagonize motorists by riding in the middle of the lane
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If they gave you adequate room, what is it that you think they did wrong?
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Glad to see OW's post on the new bridge plans. A few years back a portion of the earth embankment between bridge segments collapsed after heavy rainfall, dropping a motorist into the backwaters of the Mississippi River.
That structure's been in need of renewal / redesign to serve the public interest for years. 8' wide shoulders will be welcome if not just for cyclists but for motor vehicle drivers that suffer some kind of failure while traversing the crossing.
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Wisconsin allows crossing a double yellow to give room to a bicyclist -- does Iowa forbid this?
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Here's a comprehensive list of states that have similar laws (I note that Illinois has adopted the 3-foot rule). Scroll down the page for each state's rules about passing when a double yellow's present. Seems it's permitted in Illinois (625 ILCS 5/11-703) as well as some other states; Wisconsin's entry makes no mention (Wis. Stat. § 346.075), Iowa's field is entirely empty of anything.
From this (scroll down to paragraph 2.11) it would appear so, unless there's a caveat for special circumstances further in the publication.
When I lived and biked (and drove) in Illinois it was verboten to cross the double yellow. I make a practice of giving wide clearance when passing Amish on the roads around here, if necessary crossing into the oncoming lane on two-lane roads even when there's a double yellow when there's no oncoming traffic visible. Reduce my speed also. (Seems only fair to the horses, at minimum.)
Cyclists get a quick toot-toot from a couple or three hundred feet back as a 'heads up' and the same treatment as with passing Amish when appropriate.
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Perhaps the law-abiding driver who was nearly forced into a head-on collision on the bridge, or the second law-abiding driver who was forced onto the shoulder to avoid a high speed head-on collision with a semi truck would disagree. I don't want to die, I also don't want anybody to die because of me.
All states forbid unsafe passing. Passing zones are designed for vehicles operating near speed limit, it's not unreasonable to pass a much slower-moving vehicle in a shorter distance than would be safe to pass a faster-moving one. But if there's close oncoming traffic, or you can't see if there's close oncoming traffic, it's not safe to leave your lane.
All states forbid unsafe passing. Passing zones are designed for vehicles operating near speed limit, it's not unreasonable to pass a much slower-moving vehicle in a shorter distance than would be safe to pass a faster-moving one. But if there's close oncoming traffic, or you can't see if there's close oncoming traffic, it's not safe to leave your lane.
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Perhaps the law-abiding driver who was nearly forced into a head-on collision on the bridge, or the second law-abiding driver who was forced onto the shoulder to avoid a high speed head-on collision with a semi truck would disagree. I don't want to die, I also don't want anybody to die because of me.
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Holy cow! I am almost certain I rode through Lansing while crossing the country in 1999 and have a photo of that bridge on my home computer. (I was shooting B&W film and there were some cool shades and shadows on the bridge.) Spent the night before in La Crescent. Came down the river through Brownsville into IA and camped a little way out of Lansing on Great River Rd.
I remember thinking that I would not want to ride across that bridge. Of course, I am sure there was much less traffic back then. In fact, I don't remember seeing any cars crossing. It had to have been a Saturday or weekday because we stopped at the Brownsville post office to pick up General Delivery mail. The postal workers had made a poster with drawing and the names of everyone in our group of 13 who had mail waiting for them.
I remember thinking that I would not want to ride across that bridge. Of course, I am sure there was much less traffic back then. In fact, I don't remember seeing any cars crossing. It had to have been a Saturday or weekday because we stopped at the Brownsville post office to pick up General Delivery mail. The postal workers had made a poster with drawing and the names of everyone in our group of 13 who had mail waiting for them.
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You stated the first driver pulled back in behind you when they saw the approaching car, and then passed on a subsequent attempt. You also stated originally that the other car was forced slightly onto the shoulder by the semi. Neither of those cases sound like they came anywhere close to a head-on collision. They sound like non-events to me.
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Originally Posted by One Wheel
I recall when I spent a couple of weeks in Columbia making the observation that driving there was a matter of geometry, while driving in the US is a matter of physics. Geometrically these were non-incidents, in terms of physics they were very dangerous. The pass on the bridge would likely have not been fatal, the second would have at least killed the driver of the car if the semi had not swerved back into his lane immediately or the car had not gone into the river.
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When both vehicles are traveling at least 55 mph?
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