100 meter bike races, building a bike for sprints.
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Not a chance. The world record for the flying 200m is 9.100 seconds (4.55 seconds per 100m). Going from a standing start is going to stretch that out a noticeable amount. Maybe 7 seconds?
I would also suspect that 100m isn't quite enough distance to reach a rider's overall top speed, or is that not your intention?
I would also suspect that 100m isn't quite enough distance to reach a rider's overall top speed, or is that not your intention?
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Its not my goal to have unique thoughts, it just seems interesting to me. Ive been watching track and field lately and it just occurred to me that there is no 100m or short sprints for bikes. Then I wondered how fast a bike would be compared to a man running. I think it would be pretty close. I think it would be fun. Can you think of any practical reasons for the absence of short distance bike racing?
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OP, is there a velodrome anywhere near you? I get that really you're just daydreaming, but if you have half an interest in seeing people put out the watts, that's where you'll find it.
As to your Friday night fantasy, I suggest you write a script for Hollywood. If the movie gets made and makes it all seem exciting, then people will imitate it and make the fictional real.
Like Quidditch.
As to your Friday night fantasy, I suggest you write a script for Hollywood. If the movie gets made and makes it all seem exciting, then people will imitate it and make the fictional real.
Like Quidditch.
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I know sprinters do a lot of high intensity interval training. Box jumps, plyometrics, squats, lunges. I would think an explosive start would be most critical. Maybe 30m take offs 5 sets 2x per week on leg day? Limit distance work, just train for power like sprinters do.
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well I think bike riding is a little more realistic than Quidditch. but ya thats what it takes sometimes to trigger the group behavior gene. A movie or commercial showing that everyone is doing it. Gosh I love our species. Monkey see, monkey do. Another fear gene some of us have is to denigrate any thought that isnt currently popular.
anyway, yeah, quidditch. A real sport now. Sort of.
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Its not my goal to have unique thoughts, it just seems interesting to me. Ive been watching track and field lately and it just occurred to me that there is no 100m or short sprints for bikes. Then I wondered how fast a bike would be compared to a man running. I think it would be pretty close. I think it would be fun. Can you think of any practical reasons for the absence of short distance bike racing?
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Bicycle drag racing is an idea that comes around. Not always seriously, and sometimes just trolling the forum rats. I can't find the thread now but there was a guy a couple of years ago who had everyone going with the giant sprocket he'd bought and how fast it would make him.
You're going to accelerate slower and need more time to hit top speed just because a bike is geared higher than running. That's the whole point of having a bike. Running top speed must be limited by the power needed to flail the limbs around because an athlete on a bike can go faster. The hour record is more than 34 miles. That flying start 200 listed above works out to more than 49mph and that's got to be an immense gear ratio. Track bikes don't have shifters but I feel like a hypothetical drag racing bike ought to. How fast would those track sprinters with the giant quads go if they only had a centrifugal 2-speed like SRAM used to make?
You're going to accelerate slower and need more time to hit top speed just because a bike is geared higher than running. That's the whole point of having a bike. Running top speed must be limited by the power needed to flail the limbs around because an athlete on a bike can go faster. The hour record is more than 34 miles. That flying start 200 listed above works out to more than 49mph and that's got to be an immense gear ratio. Track bikes don't have shifters but I feel like a hypothetical drag racing bike ought to. How fast would those track sprinters with the giant quads go if they only had a centrifugal 2-speed like SRAM used to make?
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Bicycle drag racing is an idea that comes around. Not always seriously, and sometimes just trolling the forum rats. I can't find the thread now but there was a guy a couple of years ago who had everyone going with the giant sprocket he'd bought and how fast it would make him.
You're going to accelerate slower and need more time to hit top speed just because a bike is geared higher than running. That's the whole point of having a bike. Running top speed must be limited by the power needed to flail the limbs around because an athlete on a bike can go faster. The hour record is more than 34 miles. That flying start 200 listed above works out to more than 49mph and that's got to be an immense gear ratio. Track bikes don't have shifters but I feel like a hypothetical drag racing bike ought to. How fast would those track sprinters with the giant quads go if they only had a centrifugal 2-speed like SRAM used to make?
You're going to accelerate slower and need more time to hit top speed just because a bike is geared higher than running. That's the whole point of having a bike. Running top speed must be limited by the power needed to flail the limbs around because an athlete on a bike can go faster. The hour record is more than 34 miles. That flying start 200 listed above works out to more than 49mph and that's got to be an immense gear ratio. Track bikes don't have shifters but I feel like a hypothetical drag racing bike ought to. How fast would those track sprinters with the giant quads go if they only had a centrifugal 2-speed like SRAM used to make?
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Not a chance. The world record for the flying 200m is 9.100 seconds (4.55 seconds per 100m). Going from a standing start is going to stretch that out a noticeable amount. Maybe 7 seconds?
I would also suspect that 100m isn't quite enough distance to reach a rider's overall top speed, or is that not your intention?
I would also suspect that 100m isn't quite enough distance to reach a rider's overall top speed, or is that not your intention?
From doing 200m sprints the distance was over so fast, even the standing 200 was fast, that 100m would go so quick I'm not certain if a good take off gear and easy to spin up wouldn't be faster than the ability to shift. Be interesting to watch.
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Seems equivalent to a drag race which never results in the top speed of the car, just who can cover the distance the fastest. My car can do the 1/4 mile at 98mph but has easily hit 125mph according to the speedo, just given more distance.
From doing 200m sprints the distance was over so fast, even the standing 200 was fast, that 100m would go so quick I'm not certain if a good take off gear and easy to spin up wouldn't be faster than the ability to shift. Be interesting to watch.
From doing 200m sprints the distance was over so fast, even the standing 200 was fast, that 100m would go so quick I'm not certain if a good take off gear and easy to spin up wouldn't be faster than the ability to shift. Be interesting to watch.
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The result is something like the OP envisions.
It is hard on components and bearings, but it doesn't break chains (I mean, modern, quality stuff - maybe chains did break routinely in ancient times).
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These used to be pretty common. They were often called Street Sprints, though they were usually close to 200 or 250 m on a straight flat road. And it is usually done in a bracketed race - two up, winner advances.
There was a local series here a few years ago that was called the Friday Night Fights. It often drew a crowd, though many showed up expecting actual brawling.
Still, it's a pretty good spectator event if you can get enough people - and beer.
There was a local series here a few years ago that was called the Friday Night Fights. It often drew a crowd, though many showed up expecting actual brawling.
Still, it's a pretty good spectator event if you can get enough people - and beer.
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These used to be pretty common. They were often called Street Sprints, though they were usually close to 200 or 250 m on a straight flat road. And it is usually done in a bracketed race - two up, winner advances.
There was a local series here a few years ago that was called the Friday Night Fights. It often drew a crowd, though many showed up expecting actual brawling.
Still, it's a pretty good spectator event if you can get enough people - and beer.
There was a local series here a few years ago that was called the Friday Night Fights. It often drew a crowd, though many showed up expecting actual brawling.
Still, it's a pretty good spectator event if you can get enough people - and beer.
Personally 100m sounds like taking your car to a 1/16th mile drag strip, which don't exist. Not enough time to go fast to make it worth it. The "fun ratio" of going fast but also making the race short enough to cater to the format is important.
I think 500m is good for the local yokels out for a good time.
And for the other guy above..........again, no idea what he's talking about with breaking chains. I guess as he's no idea. Track bikes run a different chain less prone to breaking than a typical 11spd road chain. I also doubt local yokels out doing this will have the quads of a 1km or flying 200 dedicated track racer who actually goes to the velodrome. I would expect to see a lot of State Bicycle fixie bikes and maybe even bmx bikes. That's bmx racing holeshot sprinting and gearing.
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In a world where competitive eating is a sport, you can't convince me that a 100m bike race is somehow more pointless than hot dog eating.
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Two more things to add for the OP.
Look up Chariot Races - they are usually one lap, standing start races at a track.
Also, look up the track TT (kilo or 500): It's a standing start effort for 500m or 1000m. They are full on sprints. In many cases, splits are taken at half laps (125m). Jeffrey Hoogland ran 10.819 for the first 125m in his sea level world record kilo.
Look up Chariot Races - they are usually one lap, standing start races at a track.
Also, look up the track TT (kilo or 500): It's a standing start effort for 500m or 1000m. They are full on sprints. In many cases, splits are taken at half laps (125m). Jeffrey Hoogland ran 10.819 for the first 125m in his sea level world record kilo.
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Actually, doing overgeared sprints from a near stop is a reasonable training method, essentially like strength training on the bike. You start from a near stop in a tall gear which is hard yet possible to push and spin it up to the best of your ability, maximum force for some 6-7 seconds until you run out of steam. Then recover for a while and again and again.
The result is something like the OP envisions.
It is hard on components and bearings, but it doesn't break chains (I mean, modern, quality stuff - maybe chains did break routinely in ancient times).
The result is something like the OP envisions.
It is hard on components and bearings, but it doesn't break chains (I mean, modern, quality stuff - maybe chains did break routinely in ancient times).
Also, I would only do these once I had done a couple of months of base training, transitioning into shorter/higher intensity work.
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'If it's such a great idea how come nobody's done it before' is not a good argument in general. They didn't have 50m swim races before the 1988 Olympics neither. Now it is a regular event and now there are specialists who specialize in this distance and it's exciting to watch. The closest thing in the cycling world would be the mass start in a BMX race. And that is always exciting to watch.
In a world where competitive eating is a sport, you can't convince me that a 100m bike race is somehow more pointless than hot dog eating.
In a world where competitive eating is a sport, you can't convince me that a 100m bike race is somehow more pointless than hot dog eating.