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It’s probably reasonable to assume someone isn’t dropping 3K for wheels on a bike with 9 speed Sora…
I don’t get the people ITT saying not to spend the money. If you have it and can reasonably afford it- good for you, do it.
I look at it all as a cost per use thing. I ride my bike around 260-300 times per year. Over the course of three years $3,000 wheelscomes out to about $4 per use. A $5,500 bike on top of that adds another $6 per use.
$10 per use is a hell of a lot cheaper than a round of golf or a couple of beers and far healthier than both.
Edit: this is also how I justify buying bike stuff to my wife
I don’t get the people ITT saying not to spend the money. If you have it and can reasonably afford it- good for you, do it.
I look at it all as a cost per use thing. I ride my bike around 260-300 times per year. Over the course of three years $3,000 wheelscomes out to about $4 per use. A $5,500 bike on top of that adds another $6 per use.
$10 per use is a hell of a lot cheaper than a round of golf or a couple of beers and far healthier than both.
Edit: this is also how I justify buying bike stuff to my wife
Agreed on if you can afford it why not buy it. Nobody is required to be frugal. Someone has to stimulate the economy from time-to-time.
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This wheelset, that I ordered 2 weeks ago, just arrived at my door today…. Quite a bit cheaper than $3k.
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I like tubeless so if rim, I'm only doing Zipp or ENVE. If disc, I'd be more open to rim but I still want either DT 240 hubs or Chris king hubs. I'm old school and soI go for my tried and true hubs for decades. Off the shelf easy- I like the ENVE 3.4 SES and the Zipp 303s. I don't know enough about fancier wheels.
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But the whroooosh sound is not as satisfying from a shallower wheel.
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I'm super happy with my ENVE SES DB 3.4's, but I think if I bought today I'd go hookless. The 303S is appealing, but personally I think if I'm spending that kind of money to begin with, I'd want at least DT 240 grade hubs rather than pawl engagement, so would move on up into the Firecrest range. Not because there's more than a minor difference, but because even a small difference over the ten years or so I'll be riding them adds up to be worth an extra $500-$600.
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I generally fall on the side of wheels being a pretty overrated upgrade for folks, mainly because it seems silly to spend so much money for a minute an hour savings. This is especially so if the user has not done other low hanging fruit stuff like getting a more aero helmet, narrower handlebar, and good fitting clothing.
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
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I generally fall on the side of wheels being a pretty overrated upgrade for folks, mainly because it seems silly to spend so much money for a minute an hour savings. This is especially so if the user has not done other low hanging fruit stuff like getting a more aero helmet, narrower handlebar, and good fitting clothing.
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
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b) that's far from the only reason that people upgrade their wheels
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Yes yes, I’m aware of all the justifications. Doesn’t change my opinion
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Living in West Los Angeles there are some great bike resources. Nir Wheels is close by. Custom made carbon for my Bianchi Infinito Disc are wonderful. Nimble and fast. 28mm Pirelli road race with their race tubes and you have a wonderful setup. Drop off the bike and a few days later done. I ride 4 or so days a weeks so when averaging the cost over a year or two t is about the same cost as a coffee and a muffin. Not a pro rider but considering how much enjoyment comes from the riding, well worth the cost for me.
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I generally fall on the side of wheels being a pretty overrated upgrade for folks, mainly because it seems silly to spend so much money for a minute an hour savings. This is especially so if the user has not done other low hanging fruit stuff like getting a more aero helmet, narrower handlebar, and good fitting clothing.
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
did OP ask for training advice?
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No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction. One of the problem with serious hobbyist forums is that everyone is quick to just jump on spending money as a route to happiness, whether it's chasing a certain sound with guitars, getting a better lens in photography, etc. And often frivolous spending is encouraged without regarding to whether one should spend. Of course it's up to each individual to determine what they can spend within their means. But yeah, train more is better advice than blow your money on wheels for a small improvement in time or whatever feeling they're chasing until someone needs their next 'fix' with a new piece of gear.
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It's not better advice when the poster asks about wheels and not training. It's just being judgmental.
If I want to buy a $15k bike with all the latest tech and do-dads just to enjoy the ride and can afford it, then why not? I may not have any interest in "training" (whatever that means), but just want to have a nice ride. Nothing wrong with that even if it doesn't fit someone else's value proposition.
If I want to buy a $15k bike with all the latest tech and do-dads just to enjoy the ride and can afford it, then why not? I may not have any interest in "training" (whatever that means), but just want to have a nice ride. Nothing wrong with that even if it doesn't fit someone else's value proposition.
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No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction. One of the problem with serious hobbyist forums is that everyone is quick to just jump on spending money as a route to happiness, whether it's chasing a certain sound with guitars, getting a better lens in photography, etc. And often frivolous spending is encouraged without regarding to whether one should spend. Of course it's up to each individual to determine what they can spend within their means. But yeah, train more is better advice than blow your money on wheels for a small improvement in time or whatever feeling they're chasing until someone needs their next 'fix' with a new piece of gear.
Also, if your wheelsets only offer fleeting satisfaction, you must not be doing it right and maybe you shouldn't be giving wheelset advice. 10k miles later, I'm still happy and thankful every time I go for a spin on my current wheels - they were a fantastic upgrade.
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No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction. One of the problem with serious hobbyist forums is that everyone is quick to just jump on spending money as a route to happiness, whether it's chasing a certain sound with guitars, getting a better lens in photography, etc. And often frivolous spending is encouraged without regarding to whether one should spend. Of course it's up to each individual to determine what they can spend within their means. But yeah, train more is better advice than blow your money on wheels for a small improvement in time or whatever feeling they're chasing until someone needs their next 'fix' with a new piece of gear.
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And, the shoes and clothing required for walking and running are really only necessary because of societal norms.
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I generally fall on the side of wheels being a pretty overrated upgrade for folks, mainly because it seems silly to spend so much money for a minute an hour savings. This is especially so if the user has not done other low hanging fruit stuff like getting a more aero helmet, narrower handlebar, and good fitting clothing.
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
Of course, I say that now, but I'm trying to do a solo century in 4:45 this year after doing 4:56 last year and would take an extra five minutes if I could lol
Also OP, instead of dumping money into small upgrades, train more
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/...at-s-going-on/
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Tubeless disc and $3k budget, I'd go with Zipp 303 Firecrest laced to Chris King RD45s.
25mm i.d., Roughly 1300g and 40mm aero depth. It's a wheelset that can be used for just about anything, road/gravel/cx and will insanely fast and comes with a lifetime warranty. You can run 28mm road and go as wide as you want from there.
I have Zipp 303s and love them. The thought of 300g lighter, 2mm wider and some bombproof fancy hubs on those wheels sounds pretty awesome to me.
25mm i.d., Roughly 1300g and 40mm aero depth. It's a wheelset that can be used for just about anything, road/gravel/cx and will insanely fast and comes with a lifetime warranty. You can run 28mm road and go as wide as you want from there.
I have Zipp 303s and love them. The thought of 300g lighter, 2mm wider and some bombproof fancy hubs on those wheels sounds pretty awesome to me.
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